Our Chicken Hunting Spider Thread

[Sheri]

Sheri i notice the title of this thread is our chicken hunting spider dont you think that Martin Nichols should get some credit for orignally working and studdying this new sp

What kind of credit do you request?
We didn't claim to discover the species, only to have been fortunate enough to observe them.

I am reasonably sure that anyone within the hobby that is aware of the Chicken Hunting Spider has seen his paper available here and perhaps seen the nature documentary as well.

I intended the content of this thread to speak to those that were already familiar with the species.

 

[dbaines]

As far as I know, he didnt find them - the local peruvians did. And credit him for a name the locals there never even heard of? Im not so sure. They called it "tarantula"

/Lelle

I never said he found them but he has as far as i know been studying the sp for about 6 years

also you could say the same about Rick west and all the spiders he found how many were known about by the natives of the lands where he found them

 

[Crotalus]

I think you missed my point. What should me and Sheri give him credit for? Should I also give Carl von Linné credit for describing Avicularia avicularia that we found? Come on...

/Lelle

 

[FryLock]

I think you missed my point. What should me and Sheri give him credit for? Should I also give Carl von Linné credit for describing Avicularia avicularia that we found? Come on...

/Lelle

Don't get Darren the wrong way Lelle he's only saying what a few i know are thinking , I think a few ppl may have found it a tad galling no one believed Martin’s film of many to a burrow but now they have seen others pictures they do ;P.

 

[Crotalus]

Don't get Darren the wrong way Lelle he's only saying what a few i know are thinking , I think a few ppl may have found it a tad galling no one believed Martin’s film of many to a burrow but now they have seen others pictures they do ;P.

I cant understand what some peoples disbelive have anything to do with me and Sheri posting pix. :?

/Lelle

 

[Immortal_sin]

I think they are saying it's THEIR thread, not their spiders...sheesh people!
Awesome pics, I'd love to be able to see them someday myself...

 

[Tescos]

As far as I know, he didnt find them - the local peruvians did. And credit him for a name the locals there never even heard of? Im not so sure. They called it "tarantula"

Edit: we wasnt at the same lodge. Same area of the peruvian Amazon but many hours by boat between the location Martin been to and where me and Sheri was.

/Lelle

I think the name about when some farmer said what was attacking his chickens when he said "su el arana pollita" which I think roughlly translates as a poultry spider or? Lets not also forget that the names native people give to their wild life can change from town to town and Village to Village.

I find it is intresting that you found them, from what sounds like a long way from the location that Martin found them, which must mean their range must be big to say the least. Out of intrest on what characters did Rick West ID them on?

 

[dbaines]

I cant understand what some peoples disbelive have anything to do with me and Sheri posting pix. :?

/Lelle

lelle read here and you will understand exactly what we mean
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=43838&highlight=chicken+spider

 

[FryLock]

I think the name about when some farmer said what was attacking his chickens when he said "su el arana pollita" which I think roughlly translates as a poultry spider or? Lets not also forget that the names native people give to their wild life can change from town to town and Village to Village.

Also colourful native/local names are being lost all the time to the boring "tarantula", i know they don't call them T's in some other Spainsh speaking places Ray G told me what they call them in Panama last weekend but i can't remeber not tarantula tho.

 

[Crotalus]

I find it is intresting that you found them, from what sounds like a long way from the location that Martin found them, which must mean their range must be big to say the least. Out of intrest on what characters did Rick West ID them on?

I dont think anyone has ID them yet. Pamphobeteus ssp. is what Rick think they are, but until he (or someone else) can get a specimen its just a thought it might be Pamphobeteus ssp. (if I understood Rick correctly)

/Lelle

 

[Crotalus]

lelle read here and you will understand exactly what we mean
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=43838&highlight=chicken+spider

If you mean that Sheri wrote in that post and didnt believe it at first without checking the fact carefully? Well, she did check it later on and also wrote that in the thread - and later checked it out on location. So, I still dont understand why me or her should give Martin credit in a thread about our trip to Peru...
Maybe you can enlighten me.

/Lelle

 

[Martin H.]

Lelle,

I dont think anyone has ID them yet.

A. Smith did, according to the lecture M. Nicholas held at the last BTS show.

so long
Martin

 

[baldpoodle]

I personally find this rather boring and I wish something new would appear to talk about instead of all this constant drivell and same old rubbish.

There must be something new instead of turning up the old rehashed excrement.

 

[Crotalus]

Lelle,

A. Smith did, according to the lecture M. Nicholas held at the last BTS show.

so long
Martin

And what is the name of the species?

/Lelle

 

[Tescos]

I dont think anyone has ID them yet. Pamphobeteus ssp. is what Rick think they are, but until he (or someone else) can get a specimen its just a thought it might be Pamphobeteus ssp. (if I understood Rick correctly)

/Lelle

No I think the ones that Martin found have been identified to genus level as being Pamphobeteus sp. by Andrew M. Smith but as yet they have no species name.(See bts journal Volume 20, Number 2, page 49, How to Record a Chicken Spider by Martin Nicholas).
I know that there are lots of species that have huge living ranges, but because you never found yours in the same location as Martins how can you be sure they are the same species as the ones Martin studdied? You never know this may be a different one?

 

[Martin H.]

Lelle,

And what is the name of the species?

undescribed Pamphobeteus sp.

Martin

 

[Crotalus]

No I think the ones that Martin found have been identified to genus level as being Pamphobeteus sp. by Andrew M. Smith but as yet they have no species name.(See bts journal Volume 20, Number 2, page 49, How to Record a Chicken Spider by Martin Nicholas).
I know that there are lots of species that have huge living ranges, but because you never found yours in the same location as Martins how can you be sure they are the same species as the ones Martin studdied? You never know this may be a different one?

I cant be sure. Maybe I discovered a new species...
Since there are a few species in that area, Rick was pretty sure its the CS. I have no reason to disbelieve him since his been in the area and seen them himself.

/Lelle

 

[Lorgakor]

I'm just curious as to why no one could get a specimen? If they have been studied for so long why has no one gotten one yet? Are the laws really strict about bringing one or two out of the country? Can't permits be gotten or something? I really am just curious. They look like really neat spiders.

@Lelle and Sheri
Just wondering how big was the largest one you found? And awesome pictures by the way!!

 

[dbaines]

If you mean that Sheri wrote in that post and didnt believe it at first without checking the fact carefully? Well, she did check it later on and also wrote that in the thread - and later checked it out on location. So, I still dont understand why me or her should give Martin credit in a thread about our trip to Peru...
Maybe you can enlighten me.

/Lelle

no what i mean is the fact that almost no one over there belived it existed but now you post loads of pics every where all of a sudden every one in the states suddenly belive it ...................it kind of portrays that what ever the european side of the water says the yanks dissmiss as being crap and try and discredit very knowledgable people over here but as soon as a yank goes and then posts a thread our chicken spider with loads of pics and almost imply that its there discovery just face the fact us europeans are far better in this hobby than the americans will ever be.

 

[Crotalus]

no what i mean is the fact that almost no one over there belived it existed but now you post loads of pics every where all of a sudden every one in the states suddenly belive it ...................it kind of portrays that what ever the european side of the water says the yanks dissmiss as being crap and try and discredit very knowledgable people over here but as soon as a yank goes and then posts a thread our chicken spider with loads of pics and almost imply that its there discovery just face the fact us europeans are far better in this hobby than the americans will ever be.

As far as I know Sheri is canadian, so are Rick, do you think everything he writes are dismissed? And im swedish, and therefor european.
Still dont understand you.
No where in the post have we have claimed we discovered it. That is just rediculus to say.

/Lelle