Opinions vs Pokies

[sbullet]

No you are trying to mislead what I'm saying. You should care enough not to get bit. But the process for deciding "if you are ready" is not as complicated as many make it be-- hence all of the threads that are started asking this very question.

You deffinitely should not "suck it up and stop being a baby" and delve into owning the species. If you have owned spiders, and understand and accept that if you do receive a bite, what the consequences are, then you can make the decision and own or not own one. When it comes down to it, you will recover, but of course you do not ever want to convince somebody to own such a species by using the rhetoric "suck it up, your weak, dont be a p**********, just do it" --- that is juvenile... (and I should say, anyone trying to use such tactics clearly are not "ready"

 

[spiderengineer]

No you are trying to mislead what I'm saying. You should care enough not to get bit. But the process for deciding "if you are ready" is not as complicated as many make it be-- hence all of the threads that are started asking this very question.

You deffinitely should not "suck it up and stop being a baby" and delve into owning the species. If you have owned spiders, and understand and accept that if you do receive a bite, what the consequences are, then you can make the decision and own or not own one. When it comes down to it, you will recover, but of course you do not ever want to convince somebody to own such a species by using the rhetoric "suck it up, your weak, dont be a p**********, just do it" --- that is juvenile... (and I should say, anyone trying to use such tactics clearly are not "ready"

the fact of the matter is your are being so cavalier about handling a T that has a nasty bite and go on to say that their is a point were you will be ready to handle one. which in fact is wrong because T's are unpredictable one day you may be able to hold it with out some much as to nudge it towards you, yet the next day she might bite you the moment your hand is close to it. the fact is this is not something to every take lightly like you are making it out to be. sure you won't die from being bitten, but you are going to have one rough ride to go through. so that is the real question is, it worth going through that just to hold something? whats wrong with just admiring it from a distance?

 

[BaddestRuffest]

so basically who care if they have potent venom and it will suck being bitten, but suck it up and stop being a baby. that about sums it up

Although I have never been bitten by any t I can say in all honesty that I wouldn't be shrugging off a bite from a pokie, from what is said in most accounts and one sticks in my mind from robc getting tagged by a 10" P.ornata he said it was the worst pain he ever felt in his life and that coming from somebody who had been bitten lots.

 

[sbullet]

Woah woah woah bud, I never once mentioned anything on HANDLING the species. Quote me where I said handling poecilotheria is a good idea. Unreal ha!

the fact of the matter is your are being so cavalier about handling a T that has a nasty bite and go on to say that their is a point were you will be ready to handle one. which in fact is wrong because T's are unpredictable one day you may be able to hold it with out some much as to nudge it towards you, yet the next day she might bite you the moment your hand is close to it. the fact is this is not something to every take lightly like you are making it out to be. sure you won't die from being bitten, but you are going to have one rough ride to go through. so that is the real question is, it worth going through that just to hold something? whats wrong with just admiring it from a distance?

 

[Poec54]

It shouldn't even be as big an issue as it is. You won't get bit, and even if you do, so what? It will hurt a lot yeah, but you will live another day... Nobody has allergic reactions or anything, so a highly painful bite is just something you will have to deal with.

Venoms are made of protiens, that's what people have allergic reactions to. There can be allergic reactions to spider venoms, and every species' venom is different. You don't know what combination of individual person and protien is going to be a bad mix. Look at what bee stings do to some unfortunate people. You see kids drop dead practicing at their school sports field from a previously undetected medical condition. How many of us have medical conditions, known or not, that a bite from a hot T can trigger unexpectedly serious consequences? Evenomations from all animals should be avoided. We're the most intelligent life form on the planet, let's act like it.

To me, the biggest risk isn't the fool handling something he shouldn't, but the innocent people he lives with that may get bit by an escaped T. Escapes happen most often with careless owners and show-offs handling fast species. It's one thing for the owner to get bit, it's another when their child gets bit when they sit on a chair or climb in bed, or a neighborhood kid gets bit when she comes over to play. That's when reckless owners screw up big time. Understand there are consequences, they need to look beyond themselves and their egos. Most T owners are thoughtful, responsible people, we don't need a freak show, dare devil atmosphere. We are so fortunate to have these animals from all over the world readily available to us; let's show that we can handle the responsibility.

 

[spiderengineer]

Woah woah woah bud, I never once mentioned anything on HANDLING the species. Quote me where I said handling poecilotheria is a good idea. Unreal ha!

I apologies I had completely miss read this thread Original post. I thought this was about handling a pokie. when he said handle he meant owning one I thought he met actually handling my bad

 

[dydek]

the fact of the matter is your are being so cavalier about handling a T that has a nasty bite and go on to say that their is a point were you will be ready to handle one. which in fact is wrong because T's are unpredictable one day you may be able to hold it with out some much as to nudge it towards you, yet the next day she might bite you the moment your hand is close to it. the fact is this is not something to every take lightly like you are making it out to be. sure you won't die from being bitten, but you are going to have one rough ride to go through. so that is the real question is, it worth going through that just to hold something? whats wrong with just admiring it from a distance?

Yes it is worth it just to handle. People jumping from planes can die and yet is still worth it for them. Climbers may fall anytime and yet they still climb. Some things are just worth it no matter what the risk is. It may not be worth it for you but for other ppl is.

 

[sbullet]

I don't think it's worth it. Although I've handled mine once. && Apology accepted spiderengineer lol.

---------- Post added 04-19-2013 at 02:59 PM ----------

Uh yeah, I think we all know this... Again, I wouldn't ever suggest handling. Also, I had already noted that when deciding whether or not to own one, look at your environment: Kids frequenting your residence? Elderly? But thanks for reiterating my previous posts dude, it should be known.

Venoms are made of protiens, that's what people have allergic reactions to. There can be allergic reactions to spider venoms, and every species' venom is different. You don't know what combination of individual person and protien is going to be a bad mix. Look at what bee stings do to some unfortunate people. You see kids drop dead practicing at their school sports field from a previously undetected medical condition. How many of us have medical conditions, known or not, that a bite from a hot T can trigger unexpectedly serious consequences? Evenomations from all animals should be avoided. We're the most intelligent life form on the planet, let's act like it.

To me, the biggest risk isn't the fool handling something he shouldn't, but the innocent people he lives with that may get bit by an escaped T. Escapes happen most often with careless owners and show-offs handling fast species. It's one thing for the owner to get bit, it's another when their child gets bit when they sit on a chair or climb in bed, or a neighborhood kid gets bit when she comes over to play. That's when reckless owners screw up big time. Understand there are consequences, they need to look beyond themselves and their egos. Most T owners are thoughtful, responsible people, we don't need a freak show, dare devil atmosphere. We are so fortunate to have these animals from all over the world readily available to us; let's show that we can handle the responsibility.

 

[spiderengineer]

Yes it is worth it just to handle. People jumping from planes can die and yet is still worth it for them. Climbers may fall anytime and yet they still climb. Some things are just worth it no matter what the risk is. It may not be worth it for you but for other ppl is.

so you are saying you should handle a pokie because its a adrenal rush?

 

[dydek]

so you are saying you should handle a pokie because its a adrenal rush?

Nope. Its just some poeople have a desire for it. Same as some people have the desire to climb a big mountain which I don't have it at all. Just because I do, it doesn't mean you should too. I know the risk and yet I still do it because despite the risk I think its worth. Would you climb a mountain with no gear for fun? I wouldn't and yet people do it because they have desire for it which I completely don't understand same as you do not understand my desire to handle tarantulas.

 

[skar]

I just want to add here... that although you say a bite from any Tarantula is not life threatening - All Tarantula bites have the potential to be.
Even Nw's (rosea etc) Do what you want, but infection is the culprit for serious consequences. Every thing you decide to do has a outcome good or bad.
that is all ... capt out

 

[sbullet]

Infection huh. Then a bite from a cat must be the worst. #HandleWithCare

 

[spiderengineer]

Infection huh. Then a bite from a cat must be the worst. #HandleWithCare

actually I remember reading an article about how apparently owning cats can increase your chance of suicide.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...site-carried-by-cats-could-hurt-humans-sanity

makes you think

 

[Jones0911]

I agree with op in that some people feel confident early on and keep OW and fast defensive species and have no issue with them at all mainly because I am one of those people. I have only been in the hobby less than 3 months and I own 2 obt's a P.muticus, 2 P.regalis and a few other "experienced owners only" species. I always show the greatest respect and take all precautions possible as well as keeping my t's on shelves 7 feet up in a room that locks from the inside for when im in there. I don't handle unless necessary or by accident during rehoming except my G.rosea and she won't let me away without holding her which alot of you may feel is BS but as soon as I open her enclosure she walks to where I am and climbs her enclosure but then she won't move until I put my hand out to her so she can climb on me. It seems strange to me also but she seems to "enjoy" me stroking her and pushes herself up to make me touch her and extends her spinnerettes out to touch me. I do agree 100% though that people acting irresponsibly can seriously harm the hobby and may lead to inverts being made illegal.

Agreed, i tell people the Ts i like and why and let them do the research and make their own decision on which T to get

 

[skar]

Infection huh. Then a bite from a cat must be the worst. #HandleWithCare

mmmhmm Yup