Me describing my leirus quinquestriatus sting after being stung

[Outpost31Survivor]

I said this a while ago when this person first started posting this nonsense. A mod needs to delete these posts. They do not do anything for the hobby. This person also needs to be black listed fron buying scorpions. Something and is going to happen.

No, these posts should not be deleted and the moderators are correct in letting the community hash it out.

 

[Arachnophobphile]

Future Darwin Award winner we got going on here

 

[nineslugs]

This is... a terrible idea. Handling them unnecessarily is a bad for both you and your pet. Pet bugs don't get anything out of being held, at best it is a neutral interaction, and many will find it very stressful.

Stressed animals try to defend themselves. Do you really want to risk hospitalization or death? This is bad for you, the animal, and the hobby.

And even if you get stung by an animal with venom that is considered "safe" there is always the chance of an unexpected reaction, even for relatively healthy people. Just recently theres been news about a guy who died after being bitten by his pet gila monster, the first such recorded death in almost a hundred years.

Animals with venom need to have their inherent danger respected.

 

[ForTW]

No.

And i don't want to talk about it, because i never got stung or bitten by anything. Since 2009 and i am willing to continue like that in favor to everyone.

From Phoneutria nigriventer to Damon diadema, it is very simpel to not get caught. Personally i assume keepers getting caught must be very stupid. That's ok and my opinion.

 

[Arachnophobphile]

No.

And i don't want to talk about it, because i never got stung or bitten by anything. Since 2009 and i am willing to continue like that in favor to everyone.

From Phoneutria nigriventer to Damon diadema, it is very simpel to not get caught. Personally i assume keepers getting caught must be very stupid. That's ok and my opinion.

You mean bit or stung? Not sure what get caught means, maybe the same thing?

 

[ForTW]

You mean bit or stung? Not sure what get caught means, maybe the same thing?

All of it.
There is no winner, no reward and no advantage in getting stung/squeezed/bitten etc.

Except my snakes. ATB's are a diffrent story.

 

[Arachnophobphile]

All of it.
There is no winner, no reward and no advantage in getting stung/squeezed/bitten etc.

Except my snakes. ATB's are a diffrent story.

Ok now I understand what you mean. I didn't know if you were supporting handling or not.

Now, what is ATBs?

 

[goofyGoober99]

John you have previously mentioned both a personality disorder that leads to irresponsible behaviour and feeling a need to be stung as well as the release that results from it. You are engaging in self destructive behavior and using living creatures as a way to self harm. You have also mentioned a psychiatrist. Please talk to them about this instead of posting about it.

 

[Johnn]

John you have previously mentioned both a personality disorder that leads to irresponsible behaviour and feeling a need to be stung as well as the release that results from it. You are engaging in self destructive behavior and using living creatures as a way to self harm. You have also mentioned a psychiatrist. Please talk to them about this instead of posting about it.

Well my personality disorder is psychopathy. I, of course will typically keep that info to myself in real life but I could care less because this is online and statistically speaking, I will never meet anyone on here. So, that being said, it's considered largely untreatable by any mental health professionals that know anything... And my psychiatrist just prescribes me OCD meds, which has absolutely nothing to do with me getting stung. And it's not really about self harm. It's just an interesting way to pass time. If I wanted to self harm, I would go grab my hemiscorpius lepturus and end up like this guy lol!

hemiscorpius lepturus sting necrosis - Google Search

 

[goofyGoober99]

Well my personality disorder is psychopathy. I, of course will typically keep that info to myself in real life but I could care less because this is online and statistically speaking, I will never meet anyone on here. So, that being said, it's considered largely untreatable by any mental health professionals that know anything... And my psychiatrist just prescribes me OCD meds, which has absolutely nothing to do with me getting stung. And it's not really about self harm. It's just an interesting way to pass time. If I wanted to self harm, I would go grab my hemiscorpius lepturus and end up like this guy lol!

Ah I see that makes sense. Thank you for disclosing. It's unfortunate that psychopathy is so understudied and misunderstood.
At this point it is probably best if you stop posting about intentional stings here even if you continue. A bunch of people telling you to stop doing it probably won't change anything. And all it seems to do is get everyone riled up.

Those H lepturus ones look brutal I would definitely stay away from those guys We don't even have scorpions where I live and I might start tapping out my shoes before putting them on....

 

[Johnn]

Ah I see that makes sense. Thank you for disclosing. It's unfortunate that psychopathy is so understudied and misunderstood.
At this point it is probably best if you stop posting about intentional stings here even if you continue. A bunch of people telling you to stop doing it probably won't change anything. And all it seems to do is get everyone riled up.

Those H lepturus ones look brutal I would definitely stay away from those guys We don't even have scorpions where I live and I might start tapping out my shoes before putting them on....

Sure and that's why I posted this. To be my final call to anyone who would like to get on the discussion list (just for emails though), not posts. That way I won't p more ppl off. I am doing this because I was asked respectfully by some individuals to stop posting this. It's not for the rude ppl I'm quitting my posts but for those who have asked me politely to stop, such as yourself, although I already made the decision to stop posting such things before I ever "met" you. And thanks for being nice btw it's pleasant to get some ppl here and there at least who aren't nasty about what they ask

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Which is why this is my final post on such subjects

Just be sure to write a bite report , and I can understand getting stung on accident say it dodged the catch cup and tags you.

Well my personality disorder is psychopathy. I, of course will typically keep that info to myself in real life but I could care less because this is online and statistically speaking, I will never meet anyone on here. So, that being said, it's considered largely untreatable by any mental health professionals that know anything... And my psychiatrist just prescribes me OCD meds, which has absolutely nothing to do with me getting stung. And it's not really about self harm. It's just an interesting way to pass time. If I wanted to self harm, I would go grab my hemiscorpius lepturus and end up like this guy lol!

hemiscorpius lepturus sting necrosis - Google Search

From what I’ve delt with psychiatrist has been zero help dealing with any mental disorders. Basically leads to me taking meds that may or may not. Help at all.
At this point, he doesn’t do anything. Telehealth Meetings are like a minute and a half. Takes longer to drive there
The watering hole is off topic. You could always post there.

 

[Outpost31Survivor]

The OP needs to count his blessings. He has been stung at least a dozen times by confirmed killers. The only thing keeping him safe is his physical health and repeated failure to receive a lethal dose of scorpion venom during each envenomation. If he continues to sting himself and handle deadly scorpions, his luck may eventually run out. He is playing Russian roulette.

1. Human deaths normally occur in the young, elderly, infirm, and immune impaired; scorpions are generally unable to deliver enough venom to kill healthy adults.

2. One of the leading causes of severe life threatening morbidity and fatalities in adults is late presentation and admission to a hospital to begin time limited serotherapy and/or symptomatic supportive care. An autonomic storm (autonomic nervous system) is the depletive overstimulation, excitation, or overload of mediators / neurotransmitters (cholinergic - parasympathetic and/or usually more significantly adrenergic - sympathetic) that can severely damage the heart and other organs and lead to a fatal clinical episode involving acute pulmonary edema, cyanosis, cardiogenic shock, hypotension, ventricular arrhythmia, multi organ failure, etc.

 

[ForTW]

Well he doesn't want to get stung by a H. lepturus.
Highly venomous scorpions tend to inject less, therefor i don't really get that point. I threat my androctonus or parabuthus the same because they could inject a lot higher load of they want to.

ATB are Amazon tree boas. They bite everything hotter than 30°C. But no poison so this is fine.

 

[Outpost31Survivor]

Well he doesn't want to get stung by a H. lepturus.
Highly venomous scorpions tend to inject less, therefor i don't really get that point. I threat my androctonus or parabuthus the same because they could inject a lot higher load of they want to.

ATB are Amazon tree boas. They bite everything hotter than 30°C. But no poison so this is fine.

Androctonus and Parabuthus can be generous with their venom if their disposition is nasty enough or provoked enough. Parabuthus transvaalicus have the largest venom volume per a sting known so far among all Buthids. Plus, Parabuthus are capable of deep tissue penetration due to their large aculeas and powerful metasoma (tail) delivering a more effective and/or faster acting envenomation.

Anyways, I think a large majority of the scorpion hobby is responsible and respectful. They will respect these fascinating exotic creatures and their personal space and never unnecessarily stress them with handling. Neither conduct sadomastic acute toxicity tests upon themselves to learn whether their killer buthid will deliver a mild, moderate, or severe life threatening envenomation on their person and not only risk their health and life but serve karma upon themselves with medical bills all just to be a keyboard glory hound. I know the OP is enjoying the attention and hungers for more that we don't allow him. The reputation of these creatures is both very real and cautionary. They are fully capable of causing morbidity in adults but more often than not fail to kill healthy adults because the blood plasma concentration of the venom is too insignificant and/or due to medical intervention. Can we all just agree to raise the scorpion hobby to greater respectable heights than the venomous snake hobby culture and its internet influencers???

 

[Johnn]

Just be sure to write a bite report , and I can understand getting stung on accident say it dodged the catch cup and tags you.

Oh you better believe I'ma write a sting report for my hottentotta tamulus whenever one of those little guys gets big enough to inflict some damage. I may not write it as intentional in the report... But I think that we'll all know lol. And I'll make sure I send it to you in a pm. And yeah, about the psychiatrists... For a long time nothing helped my OCD... That's until I discovered this wonderful drug called fluvoxamine. It doesn't completely alleviate it but makes it go down quite a bit. By the way...if you don't mind me asking, what disorders do you have? You don't have to answer that but I was just curious.

 

[Outpost31Survivor]

Inflict some damage? It can kill you. In fact, we may not get a sting report at all but an article in the news. The choligernic symptons involving gastrointestinal disturbances such as vomiting, diarrhea, profuse or diffuse sweating (with risks of hypovolemia without proper medical intervention), ice cold extremities, and priapism are premonitory signs of a serious H. tamulus envenomation requiring immediate hospital admission.

Oh fun.

 

[The Snark]

He has been stung at least a dozen times by confirmed killers.

What info do you have on long term effects? I'm thinking about the guy that allowed himself to be bit several times by a king cobra. He died without having a recent bite. Autopsy revealed vague results as to cause of death. Surmised was the major organs simply shut down.
Errata, O Hannah venom is a mild neurotoxin causing mostly localized paralysis which is permanent.

 

[Kada]

Why post this if you already agreed it's bad practice to advertise it?

No offense, but I think narcissism is now confirmed.

Even if you want to show off, use that voice in your head that tells you *no*, even if you really want to. Sometimes we need to just make a rule in our heads that we are acting selfish and poorly and trust others are right.

 

[Tbone192]

I'm slowly getting into scorpions and may get hot species in the future. Not because they are venomous but because of their beauty and intriguing nature. Either way, no matter the species we need to treat it with respect. If not for our own peace of mind then for the safety of the animals in our care.

I respect your courtesy, honesty, and decision to stop posting sting related content. I think sting reports are fine though, IMO. Cognitive variation and mental health are poorly understood and heavily stigmatized to this day. I wish it weren't so. I offer my sincerest regards, I can understand where you are coming from. I mean no disrespect, my issue lies with the stress being inflicted upon pets as well as others viewing the behaviour as acceptable then spreading misinformation, something bad happens, and then bills are passed and laws enforced...

Good luck with your pals, all the best, and be safe!

TBone