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Mez

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Why would you want to be careless? If you're keeping something, why wouldn't you do your best to find out where the animal comes from, the temperatures, diet, natural habitat etc...these are all things i do, and a lot if keepers do. I don't know anyone that keeps animals that approach their husbandry without care,thinking 'its just an X' or whatever. Pretty odd that.
 
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Falk

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Falk, to be honest, that's how i look at it too. An overload of something that they can't process, but we just don't know what.
Yes, that is exactly what i mean.
 

Kendage

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who says I dont care? the problem is people here get emotionally attached to something to really doesnt care about feelings. im not a person who is gonna cry on these boards my T died, or why it died. if i decied to feed my stirmi a G rosea and it gets hurt or dies its my responsibility. if your dog dies cause you ran it over by acciedent are you gonna never get a dog again because you were careless? im just not afraid to push the envelope, people here have no vision, are afraid of being an outcast
Because that's just plain stupidity and irresponsibility, if you run over your dog on accident then it's an accident, if you feed your dog a whole chocolate bunny say every week or 2, it'll affect him. Why don't you try that with your dog? Push the envelope some more? You won't, why? Because it's dumb. Same thing with the feeding a T a T situation, you're being impractical and irresponsible. If you really don't see what you're doing wrong then you have to realize you might as well be running over your dog with your car to see if it'd break his leg.

Sure, they don't have feelings, or anything, but the problem is you're taking them in to take proper care of them, not experiment with them, you might as well feed it snakes, and various lizards, or start bets.. It's stupid.
 

synyster

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There is no evidence that it is the calcium in vertebras that is causing molting problems, it could be the fat or other "ingredients":) Many use frogs and small lizards as part of their birdspiders diet without any problems. One problem alone is that many hobbyists feed their Theraphosa to much and it gets harder for it to molt due to their size, they get exhausted and dies.

Sadly you wont get much joy from your male if you dont find a female for him, he will just wander around in his tank and die probably within a year.
Thanks for the info. As I was pretty sure already, no scientific report has been written on feeding inverts, vertebrae. Of course, the fact I stated calcium was because this has been the primary reason that people thought would result in bad molts. Of course there could be plenty of other reasons and there is also the possibility of it not being harmful at all. But for sure i'll agree with all of you that it isin't worth the risk when there are plenty of other food sources to choose from. As for Theraphosa, this is a genus that get's big. And I have observed that it knows when to stop eating. So maybe it's not that people feed them too much, but they feed them prey items that are too big. I guess this could also be a theory...
 

redrumpslump

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Alot of people believe that its not harmful. Could be the case. Heres is where i draw the line. If i ever was to feed a mouse to a t, which is very unlikely i will, i wouldnt feed an adult mouse. I can somewhat understand a pinky or fuzzy to try and fatten up a female for breeding. As long as it is a large tarantula. I wouldnt recommend feeding a 4" spider a pinky.
 

Chris_Skeleton

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who says I dont care? the problem is people here get emotionally attached to something to really doesnt care about feelings. im not a person who is gonna cry on these boards my T died, or why it died. if i decied to feed my stirmi a G rosea and it gets hurt or dies its my responsibility. if your dog dies cause you ran it over by acciedent are you gonna never get a dog again because you were careless? im just not afraid to push the envelope, people here have no vision, are afraid of being an outcast
So you're gonna buy a G. rosea and accidentally feed it to your T. stirmi?
 

paassatt

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people here have no vision, are afraid of being an outcast
I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say just because I won't feed any of my tarantulas another tarantula (or anything else that may do it harm, for that matter) doesn't mean I lack vision, or am afraid of being an outcast. I won't do it because it smacks the idea of caring for your spider right in the face. Do what you want; your spider, your rules. But not using another tarantula as a feeder item has nothing to do with vision or lack thereof.
 

Spidershane1

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On the mouse issue an bad molts, I don't think the two are related. I have fed mice on occasion over the years to various species(to force molts) and have never had any ill effects. I also went to a pet shop once that had an adult blondi who was fed nothing but mice for over 6 years and was perfectly healthy. I of course told them to switch to roaches though, which they did. And on the contrary, I have seen many people have molting issues with T's that have never been fed mice. I think the only real issue is the mouse injuring your T while being subdued, so as long as you stick to pinkies or fuzzies then there should be no issue.

And to the guy who thinks he's being all rebellious by not caring about his T....well, you're just an idiot.
 

groovyspider

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WOW........ the whole thread almost :wall: minus a few good keepers willing to lend out a helping hand against ignorace pat your self on the back you guys deserve it :)
 

kylestl

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Quick question. Why didn't you take the mouse out after everyone advised against it? :?
Well, she wouldn't have got to take those awesome pics man (sarcasm) Everyone told you no but yet you do it anyway and show it to us.
who says I dont care? the problem is people here get emotionally attached to something to really doesnt care about feelings. im not a person who is gonna cry on these boards my T died, or why it died. if i decied to feed my stirmi a G rosea and it gets hurt or dies its my responsibility. if your dog dies cause you ran it over by acciedent are you gonna never get a dog again because you were careless? im just not afraid to push the envelope, people here have no vision, are afraid of being an outcast
I am not emotionally attached to my t's but I like all animals. Yes I like watching them do what they do but not "attached" and yes I feed crix and roaches but they are CB and I am not supporting the destruction of the wild population. You obviously don't care about the well being of your spiders. You aren't feeding it another T because you feel it is missing something in its diet. You are feeding it another t so you can go "Wow dude, that was sweet man" Some people just never cease to amaze me. Probably not the best idea coming to a tarantula forum saying you would feed another t to a t for no particular reason. I sure as heck wouldn't sell to you.
 

Jacobchinarian

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Before i say what i have to say I want to announce to avoid confusion I have never and most likely will never feed vertebrate even though it may be alright. Having said that I have read several places that the ld50 scale cannot be accurately measured because injecting a rodent with tarantula venom is like injecting a human with histamines and cyanide even if the tarantula venom is insignificant to humans (like the theraphosa). This indicates that certain species of tarantula produce venom that may be targeted tword mice. Even if tarantula venom is made for tarantulas I still wouldnt recommend it for captivity since their are far less risky methods for feeding tarantulas.
 

ZergFront

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I'm just guessing Joe said female crickets because they get a bit larger then males. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

Matt
..and maybe all those protein rich eggs inside them? Yummy. X-D

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Whoa... Fran suggesting feeding a T a vertebrate. ;)

As for feeding Ts to other Ts, that is ridiculous. For that, and the fact you said you would "just get another one" if it dies from it, that shows carelessness.
I think I see pigs flying over a frozen Hell. ;P
 

Embers To Ashes

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Hypothetical situation:

My great dane is hungry. Im tired of feeding it dog food because it is boring to watch. The bag says the food is made with chicken, so I think I will go next door and buy one of my neighbors chickons. She loves them, even though people always tell her it is "just a chickon." When I got home with my danes new food, it ripped it apart. The chickon was able to claw at my dogs eyes. He is now blinded forever. Since he is blind, I can no longer feed him chickons because he cannot hunt. I decided to get a new great dane just so I can feed it my neighbors chickons. I continued to do this intill all of my neighbors pets where gone, because once I haad seen my share of chickons, I got board and moved onto cats, then puppys. Now all of my dogs are blind and my neighbor stays up all night crying her eyes out because she sold me something that was soposed to be loved as a pet and I fed it to all of my dogs.
 

synyster

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Hypothetical situation:

My great dane is hungry. Im tired of feeding it dog food because it is boring to watch. The bag says the food is made with chicken, so I think I will go next door and buy one of my neighbors chickons. She loves them, even though people always tell her it is "just a chickon." When I got home with my danes new food, it ripped it apart. The chickon was able to claw at my dogs eyes. He is now blinded forever. Since he is blind, I can no longer feed him chickons because he cannot hunt. I decided to get a new great dane just so I can feed it my neighbors chickons. I continued to do this intill all of my neighbors pets where gone, because once I haad seen my share of chickons, I got board and moved onto cats, then puppys. Now all of my dogs are blind and my neighbor stays up all night crying her eyes out because she sold me something that was soposed to be loved as a pet and I fed it to all of my dogs.
Somebody must be flying high to come up with that haha!

Quite entertaining to read though...
 

Embers To Ashes

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well the chickons where the rosies and the dane was the pet tarantula. Use your imagination. lol. its been a long day.
 

Mez

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It's "Chicken". There is no O in the word chicken, apart from the 'oooooh sheeeeet' noise the chicken makes before seeing the great dane.
 

Embers To Ashes

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It's "Chicken". There is no O in the word chicken, apart from the 'oooooh sheeeeet' noise the chicken makes before seeing the great dane.
I JUST said this in another thread. I am dislexic. Your lucky you where even able to read it. :eek:
 

webbedone

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lets say it togather: >CHICKEN<

boy am i glad i avoided this thread when it first poped up
 

Jezabel

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WOW!!! All I have to say is this was definitely entertaining. Kudos :clap: to those of you pouncing on the guy feeding his T another T . . . <edit>??

:? I had no idea what "mecher" was until now. LOL!!! (Sorry, a lil blonde at times) LOL! (;

:worship: Ember - LOVED your analogy! I was with you there. (; I think that guy needs to go hang out with Michael Vick. :wall: hehehe. Just sayin . . . :D

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i have a mecher feemail g. polcra . . . what??!?
 
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