kicking hairs at mouse

[Anna]

Just an update

Just an update, Aragog killed his mouse and is eating it, he doesn't seem to have been harmed in the killing of it. I won't feed him one again, I really appreciate all the knowledge I got from you all over this!
I will I think, stick with crickets and roaches, most of the stores here sell feeder roaches, the one I happened to go to didn't though

 

[advan]

Quick question. Why didn't you take the mouse out after everyone advised against it? :?

 

[Mojo Jojo]

Thanks for posting the pic. I can tell you've got class...:barf:

 

[synyster]

Thanks for posting the pic. I can tell you've got class...:barf:

+1.

And it wasn't even a pinky... No wonder so many people have problem's with Theraphosa's. Stick to inverts and be thankful that the mouse didn't rip your T's abdomen during the struggle :wall:

 

[grayzone]

anna i dont know how experienced or knowledgeable u are with ts but aside from outter damage mice can do to your t, the calcium in their bones is very harmful to an invertebrate ( tarantulas) those problems VERY OFTEN lead to somethin called wet molts ( use search function, i wont get into that) and stirmis and blondis are already NOTORIOUS for their molting issues... you really think all these people were advising against it for nothin? the occasional mouse COULD be fine but whose to say what the limit is? all it could take (ESPECIALLY for a mature male) is one to destroy its already fragile body. i think that shows pure irresponsibility... sure im guilty too, but i wasnt informed the hazards , and go against the warnings. for your ts sake hes on borrowed time anyway... he wont have to put up with an irresponsible owner much longer.... AND FOR .. EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH WHAT I SAY.... SHE OBVIOUSLY DONT CARE BOUT HER T ENOUGH TO BE RESPONSIBLE SO I CONSIDER THIS TOUGH LOVE THAT MAY BE HARSH BUT ITS THE TRUTH.....YA JUST CANT FIX STUPID:?:wall::?:wall:

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

Agreeing with everyone else here. You were warned about feeding it mice yet you still left it in there.

And I didn't see anywhere that you stated it being a mature male, but from the pic, the pedipalps do look MM to me. If so, why did you buy a mature male?

They only live maybe up to a year after their ultimate molt.

 

[Mojo Jojo]

anna i dont know how experienced or knowledgeable u are with ts but aside from outter damage mice can do to your t, the calcium in their bones is very harmful to an invertebrate ( tarantulas) those problems VERY OFTEN lead to somethin called wet molts ( use search function, i wont get into that) and stirmis and blondis are already NOTORIOUS for their molting issues... you really think all these people were advising against it for nothin? the occasional mouse COULD be fine but whose to say what the limit is? all it could take (ESPECIALLY for a mature male) is one to destroy its already fragile body. i think that shows pure irresponsibility... sure im guilty too, but i wasnt informed the hazards , and go against the warnings. for your ts sake hes on borrowed time anyway... he wont have to put up with an irresponsible owner much longer.... AND FOR .. EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH WHAT I SAY.... SHE OBVIOUSLY DONT CARE BOUT HER T ENOUGH TO BE RESPONSIBLE SO I CONSIDER THIS TOUGH LOVE THAT MAY BE HARSH BUT ITS THE TRUTH.....YA JUST CANT FIX STUPID:?:wall::?:wall:

This post annoys me even more than seeing the pink parts of the dead mouse....

 

[grayzone]

i re read and feel bad that i lost my temper, i just hate to have tried given advice, along with alot of other people just to be ignored. IM SORRY ANNA if i offended you. its your t, do what ya will with it. shame on ME for bein a jerk. i will just no longer go through post after post tryin to explain the dangers.

 

[synyster]

I hate to bring this up greyzone but...

MICE however, are somethin ya dont want to offer too much... ( the occasional is fine in my opinion).

This was the first response to this post. Now I know you lost your temper (so did I) but saying that the OP didn't take advice is kinda paradoxal when you read the first resonse...

I personally think this should become case closed as the male seem's to be mature and probably dosen't have long left. As to the OP, once she re-connects and reads this thread, I think she will have learned the lesson. If not, I don't think there's much more that can be said or done!

 

[grayzone]

what i was referring to was my parahybana.... NOT a mm stirmi whose prone to wet / bad molts as it is... i also stated i did that BEFORE i knew the dangers... not AFTER everybody blatantly warned me..... either way my apologies to anna, and thats that... ive pm'd her a sincere apology as well

 

[synyster]

what i was referring to was my parahybana.... NOT a mm stirmi whose prone to wet / bad molts as it is... i also stated i did that BEFORE i knew the dangers... not AFTER everybody blatantly warned me..... either way my apologies to anna, and thats that... ive pm'd her a sincere apology as well

Probably a good move with the PM

As for Theraphosa, yes they are well known for having molting issues but no T is immune from that possibilty. Just because LP's are a hardy species, that dosen't mean that they aren't subject to wet molts. I will admit I have fed vertebrates too in my past as we have all had our own experiences with our own spiders. And I guess this subject could be discussed for a long time due to the fact that no scientific research that I know of states that the calcium contained in the bones of vertebrae is harmful to arachnids. It's mostly just statements that experienced keeper's have concluded to after observing the differences between diets/molting periods. I mostly just pointed out in the last post that the way you said it, led the OP think that one mouse was ok. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't as i'll let scientists pronounce one day on that but in the meantime, anyone who absolutely feels the need to feed mice, IMO, should be advised to at least get a pinky

Btw, I had been off of the net for the past ten years or so and have not heard of any scientific report on calcium in invertebrae diets. If anyone know's other than this, please advise me

 

[Pociemon]

Btw, I had been off of the net for the past ten years or so and have not heard of any scientific report on calcium in invertebrae diets. If anyone know's other than this, please advise me

There is none. It is just guess work. Many people i know use a mouse to fatten up a female for breeding purpose, the just give it a pinky, not an adult. Typiccally just after a moult. Then they switch to the normal diet.
But normally there is no reason to offer them muse.

 

[Falk]

There is no evidence that it is the calcium in vertebras that is causing molting problems, it could be the fat or other "ingredients" Many use frogs and small lizards as part of their birdspiders diet without any problems. One problem alone is that many hobbyists feed their Theraphosa to much and it gets harder for it to molt due to their size, they get exhausted and dies.

Sadly you wont get much joy from your male if you dont find a female for him, he will just wander around in his tank and die probably within a year.

 

[redrumpslump]

what i was referring to was my parahybana.... NOT a mm stirmi whose prone to wet / bad molts as it is... i also stated i did that BEFORE i knew the dangers... not AFTER everybody blatantly warned me..... either way my apologies to anna, and thats that... ive pm'd her a sincere apology as well

If it's a MM it won't have another molt coming. So this post doesn't make since at all.

Matt

 

[Mez]

Guys, dont work yourselves up, its obvious this person dosnt want our help, dosnt care about what they are keeping, just doing it because its cool, apparently. As it may be a MM, you feeding if a large food item will possibly make him want to molt again (someone posted this can't happen, well it can, just usually ends up in death) which will kill him off soon enough anyway. Pathetic.

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There is no evidence that it is the calcium in vertebras that is causing molting problems, it could be the fat or other "ingredients" Many use frogs and small lizards as part of their birdspiders diet without any problems. One problem alone is that many hobbyists feed their Theraphosa to much and it gets harder for it to molt due to their size, they get exhausted and dies.

Sadly you wont get much joy from your male if you dont find a female for him, he will just wander around in his tank and die probably within a year.

Frogs and lizards are both vertabrates, and there is also no proof it DOESN'T harm them, fact is thete is more risk of injury when feeding a live vertabrate than a cricket it roach, so the risk is higher, that's not a statement, but a fact.

 

[redrumpslump]

Actually I disagree. I don't see the problem with feeding a large 8"+ an anole. Also what you said isn't exactly fact. Say someone feeds a tarantula a hissed or dubia and it breaks a fang? I think you are getting all worked up over nothing. Obvisouly yes IMO mice are a very bad choice as feeders but it the OPs decision.

Matt

 

[Mez]

Actually I disagree. I don't see the problem with feeding a large 8"+ an anole. Also what you said isn't exactly fact. Say someone feeds a tarantula a hissed or dubia and it breaks a fang? I think you are getting all worked up over nothing. Obvisouly yes IMO mice are a very bad choice as feeders but it the OPs decision.

Matt

Um...
A damaged fang can be recovered from in two molts or so, a bite into the abdomen would be goodnight.
It's the OPs decision fair enough, but why ask for advice and go against 90% of it?

 

[Falk]

Guys, dont work yourselves up, its obvious this person dosnt want our help, dosnt care about what they are keeping, just doing it because its cool, apparently. As it may be a MM, you feeding if a large food item will possibly make him want to molt again (someone posted this can't happen, well it can, just usually ends up in death) which will kill him off soon enough anyway. Pathetic.

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Frogs and lizards are both vertabrates, and there is also no proof it DOESN'T harm them, fact is thete is more risk of injury when feeding a live vertabrate than a cricket it Rach, so the risk is higher, that's not a statement, but a fact.

I agree with you.
Im just saying that it doesnt nessessarly have to be the calcium that kills, could be wrong proteins, wrong fat etc

 

[Mez]

Falk, to be honest, that's how i look at it too. An overload of something that they can't process, but we just don't know what.

 

[LV-426]

Whoa... Fran suggesting feeding a T a vertebrate.

As for feeding Ts to other Ts, that is ridiculous. For that, and the fact you said you would "just get another one" if it dies from it, that shows carelessness.

who says I dont care? the problem is people here get emotionally attached to something to really doesnt care about feelings. im not a person who is gonna cry on these boards my T died, or why it died. if i decied to feed my stirmi a G rosea and it gets hurt or dies its my responsibility. if your dog dies cause you ran it over by acciedent are you gonna never get a dog again because you were careless? im just not afraid to push the envelope, people here have no vision, are afraid of being an outcast