Is this POECILOTHERIA ORNATA male or female??
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So am I correct in thinking male male for these two?
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Yep
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Fan freaking tastic. I have way more males then I am going to know what to do with. :wall:
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Agreed. There is nothing left to discuss.
Some Pokies are very easy to sex really by the folio. Thanks to TLV for letting me know, but by looking at that pic and you saying it is 3in the folio looks to be some what faded so at this point I would say wait tell nxt molt if it is the same it's male if it has faded more female. so wait and see
100% huh yours looks male to me
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Sexinng pokies by the folio is all wrong in all pokies ornata the males have a differant colouration to them than the females they show differant colours at around 2 inch these are the easyest of the pokies to sex without looking ventrally or at a moult ,i will take some fresh pictures of some of my young females around 3inch they have the full adult colours more or less
BS my friend where and how did you come to this. ornatas are the easiest to sex by folio and I am sorry at 3in they do not have full adult color
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all i have bred and grown on from slings in the last 3 years are all the pokies i have also bred 9 of the group i have males and females of every pokie at differant sizes for breeding stock all my female ornatas have full adult colour at 3 inch males dont colour the same as females sexing by the folio is not a good way to sex any pokies , i will just go up stairs now and take a picture of one of my 3 inch juv female p ornatas
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this is a 3 inch juv female of mine see the same colours as adult females just not as bright so am i wrong ? i have around 800-1000 pokies and thats just breeding stock
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Looks like a 3" juvie male to me. Unless I have not learned anything at all in this thread yet.
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no, thats a female..
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if this was a 3 inch male its colour would be more or less the same as the sub adult male i posted earlier ,Looks like a 3" juvie male to me. Unless I have not learned anything at all in this thread yet.
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That'd be a female, still a lil small though
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Thats a male buddy sorry I hate to say it but I think your a liar
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I think some confusion has developed based on terminology. It is very true that a male and female Ornata have stark differences in color. But they also have color differences in the folios on their opistosomas. Compare a sub-adult male and a sub-adut female. They DO NOT look the same as in a Brachypelma male and female as it relates color. I do not percieve it to be right or wrong just that very early on (especially if you have a population for comparison) there are clear differences between males and females. It seems a Ornata of this size should have a lighter folio than this one at this size. The Genus Poecilotheria Thread is full of examples of this for comparison. I also know Pederseni, Fasciata, Striata, and Regalis can also be sexed this way. I don't think it works on specimen where adult females retain some black banding like Rufilatas. Of course this is not 100% guranteed in every scenario and there are always exceptions, some are late bloomers ect. Just having seen many-- ones prediction rate can become quite reliable.
The photos in question are not very clear and much of the color expected in a female of the size in question looks washed out to me. Maybe some are seeing details not visible to me. :wall:
I guess David my question to you would be what size do you think it is clear? 3 inches? And what about the male purple issue? Is it that males lack the vibrant color of females with this species or that they are overall a different color altogether? It seems you are stating that the folio question aside the overall color is what gives it away. Of course folks we are talking about slings and juves not adults here. Additionally since there are clear differences in the folio of sub adults what point does it change in females in your estimation? The folio on the young female you posted above and a sub adult female do look quite different. And of course for the record exuvium sexing is the best method and even ventral sexing on Poecilotherias is not reliable.
I will add a couple photos of two P. Ornatas around 2.5 inches just because I am curious of opinions on these in light of this discussion.
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this is a great thread!!
many good points have been made in coordination with many bad comments. I can tell that is a female just by looking at it, regardless of what the ornamental pattern suggests. the darkness of that pattern will start to dissipate once she grows larger..
ive been proven wrong time and time again with ventrical sexing pokies. it has proven to be nothing but unreliable with the exception of adults. infact, the only sexing method I have found to be most reliable is by molts.
contradicted myself, i know.. but im still with David on this one. I know he is top notch when it comes to pokies in general and Ive learned to trust his knowledge. Id recommend others follow suit and do the same.. he doesnt dissappoint with his knowledge of this sp. :worship:
on a side note.. I have 2 7+" MM ornatas, one of which has large amts. of purple showing...
many good points have been made in coordination with many bad comments. I can tell that is a female just by looking at it, regardless of what the ornamental pattern suggests. the darkness of that pattern will start to dissipate once she grows larger..
ive been proven wrong time and time again with ventrical sexing pokies. it has proven to be nothing but unreliable with the exception of adults. infact, the only sexing method I have found to be most reliable is by molts.
contradicted myself, i know.. but im still with David on this one. I know he is top notch when it comes to pokies in general and Ive learned to trust his knowledge. Id recommend others follow suit and do the same.. he doesnt dissappoint with his knowledge of this sp. :worship:
on a side note.. I have 2 7+" MM ornatas, one of which has large amts. of purple showing...
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I agree!! :clap: These are very real questions folks should not be afraid to explore.
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Man if that one is a female then I still have no clue what I am looking at. I thought it was said on the abdomen strip there is a light break in it when its female I don't see that with the one I just commented on. I do see there is more color on the carapace, so that means female but the abodmen thing I am still not getting. The abdomen in his pic looks the same as the two in my pics. So lost yes I am :wall: