Is that what I think it is..?

[Talkenlate04]

That could be an indication that there is some seepage of some sort through the egg sac on that side, and that could be what they are feeding on. It's not a good sign that is for sure.

 

[Pestilence]

yeah thats what i thought too... but seeing i am an unexperienced breeder i really don't know now. i don't know whether to get it (which i don't know whats the next step to that) or leave it with her and see what happens. so far the moms still caring for it but for how long? do you think it would last 30 days?

 

[Talkenlate04]

If you had to guess, how many mites do you think are on that one side of the sac?

 

[Pestilence]

lol...... they are so tiny and its like a clump. ok if i was to guess i would guess over 50? they're like big grains of sand? i can't take a shot of them coz they're so tiny. well refering to the pic i posted they're the patch of color brownish white. can you see it? sorry i don't know how to edit pics.

 

[Pestilence]

heres a pic of the mites just to have an idea.

 

[Talkenlate04]

That is NOT GOOD!

You really have to think about taking it just long enough to remove the mites, and see if the sac is rock hard or not. If it is hard it is a bad sac. But if those mites go unchecked you are going to lose the sac regardless. After you get some off give the sac back to her. I would maybe use a piece of tape or something, lighty touch it to the mites and that should get them stuck to it.

 

[Pestilence]

would that be risking the mom eating the sac if i did this procedure?? crap..

 

[Pestilence]

well.. im done cleaning it from mites.. its still light and fluffy but the problem is i see a hole where mites are coming out from . i guess thats the end of my sac. i give it back to the mom after brushing it she seemed to accept it again. isn't there anyway i can still save the sac? i've a feeling its full of mites inside

 

[Aubrey Sidwell]

I think it's pretty early but if I were to think there was any chance of saving any eggs this is what I would do.

Make a hammock style incubator. Remove the sac from the mom and open it on one side about one inch. Look inside and see if the eggs have absorbed the sperm and roll loose from each other. If so I would carefully open the sac the rest of the way and pour the contents on a piece of black paper with the edges rolled up so the eggs can't roll off. A heat lamp works best but a table lamp will do in a pinch. The idea is not to get the eggs hot but the warmth and dryness actually causes the mites to disperse. The balck paper makes it easy to see the mites. When they mites start walking around on the paper I squish every one I can find. If you feel there are no more mites present transfer the eggs to the hammock incubator. They must be slightly turned 4 times a day for the next 25-30 days.

The above would assume there are any good eggs to save. I am speaking from experience. I had a mite outbreak on an A. versicolor sac. The mites destroyed half of the post embryo slings. I used a very soft horse hair paintbrush and sat at the counter for 4 hours with a heatlamp brushing mites away and squishing them. All the rest of my spiderlings survived. It is painstaking work but if you expect any chance of saving them that is how to do it.

Just remember the heat source shouldn't get the eggs too hot. Put your hand near the eggs, if the light feels to intense on your hand then it is too hot for the eggs. I found the mites dislike the dryness and heat combined and they disberse to go somewhere else.

P.S. If the eggs are a sticky wet clump inside the sac or there is still a wetness present I would use some thread and stitch the egg sac closed and give it back to the mom. Unfortunately if this is the situation and mites are inside the sac and the above cannot be done I am sure it will be a total loss.

 

[Talkenlate04]

Here is an easier way.
If you peek in the sac and find mites,
pour the eggs into a coffee filter,
slip the coffee filter into a deli container,
Then add drops of water to the bottom of the filter,
gently shake the eggs side to side and mites should fall off onto the wet filter.
Slip the filter out of the container and gently roll them into a fresh filter.
Repeat process till there are no more mites, then set them up in an incubation setup.
I have done this one time with a sac that had mites and I saved almost the whole sac despite there being plenty of mites in the sac to start.
And of course if there are no mites, sew it back up and give it back to the mom, or make the decision to incubate it the rest of the way yourself. That part would depend on if they were free rolling or not.

 

[Pestilence]

ok guys!! thanks for the input.. il try to do this. ... oh boy.. what've i done to deserve this. my first breeding turned to this.. hope this works. i can't even imagine how i could open the sack.. this sac is on its 6th day. il keep you guys posted please check my thread from time to time if possible i need all the help i can get guys.

 

[Talkenlate04]

I am trapped at work for another 5 hours so Ill be here.

 

[Pestilence]

Ryan sorry if i just replied.. had to finish my work too.... so here it goes.. im going in.. and one more thnng.. what if i dont have a coffee filter? any other i can use? please reply as soon as possible.. il be staying online from now

 

[Talkenlate04]

Umm hmm well we can cross that bridge when we get there, first check to see what is going on inside the sac.

 

[Pestilence]

ok i am now currently operating the sac.. managed to get in. there are mites but only on one side but still inside the egg. the other eggs are colored like yellowish white and inside its like slime all over? is that normal? like gooey stuff? one side of the sac is turning hard but the other side is still fluffy. the eggs are yellowish white. there are no mites on most of the egg. its size is like a head of a pin.. you know like pin cushion pins with the head. those are the sizes of the egg

1. is it ok for the eggs to dry when while im doing the other eggs
2. is it normal for the eggs to copulate? some eggs stick to each other
3. is there still a chance of survival or should i throw this away?

 

[Talkenlate04]

Can you get a picture?
From everything you are saying, I'd say you have an infertile sac that is being attacked by mites.
In the off chance it is a good fertile sac you need to separate those good looking eggs from the bad right away. Clumps stuck together should be separated as well.
Sadly it does not sound good.

 

[Anastasia]

heres a pic of the mites just to have an idea.

dont look good
looks mites and fungus, is it wet in enclosure?
At this moment Ryan's advise is best to open sac and check the eggs

 

[Pestilence]

here some pics please let me know what you think

 

[Anastasia]

well.. im done cleaning it from mites.. its still light and fluffy but the problem is i see a hole where mites are coming out from . i guess thats the end of my sac. i give it back to the mom after brushing it she seemed to accept it again. isn't there anyway i can still save the sac? i've a feeling its full of mites inside

I dont think mites can get easy true the sac web
I have a problem open sac's with a seizers, I really wouldn worry about that, I would more worry to be wet and poor ventilated, wet and cricket remands will bring fungus and mites, and thats is problem
before expecting sac keep enclosure clean

 

[Talkenlate04]

Looks infertile to me. My bet is those eggs that look so so will quickly turn bad in the coming days, maybe even hours.