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Its not a fight or argument, just sharing of information, which is the reason this place existsThis is not really the place to fight about it. If you want to continue arguing somewhere else I'd be happy to.
Its not a fight or argument, just sharing of information, which is the reason this place existsThis is not really the place to fight about it. If you want to continue arguing somewhere else I'd be happy to.
If taking wild specimens is so 'dead', then why are Selenocosmia getting rarer? (Source: http://australianmuseum.net.au/australian-tarantulas)I agree Marij, but education is more important.
Tarantulas by nature, are home bodies, often living in the same hole (in the wild) their entire lives, and often in the immediate vicinity of where they were hatched. These are not animals that require exercise, or room to explore, they don't even have brains, just a cluster of nerves, referred to as "ganglion", and therefore they are instinctual and reactive. They are incapable of boredom. Exploration isn't in the cards. Home is their comfort zone, and they never want to be too far from it...mature males, as mentioned, are the exception, as they wander in search of females...which is why most ts seen in the wild crossing streets and such are mature males.
A great example of this occurred in Florida. Several decades (70's) ago B. vagans were released into an orange grove...where they took hold....now decades (and many generations) years later, that now wild colony of B. vagans remains isolated in that specific area...not because other areas are not good for them, but because they just don't travel and explore...an exploring tarantula is a vulnerable tarantula, as they make nice meals for all kinds of birds, small mammals and reptiles.
Captivity, in a proper enclosure, is a slice of the ideal life for a tarantula, free of all the pitfalls of wild life, like inconsistent or severe weather, food droughts, pesticides, predators or human construction, etc.
Like mentioned, in the wild, an egg sac may have single digit % survival rates (or less), in captivity its almost always over 90%, with near 100% survival rates on an almost common basis.
The days of taking animals from the wild are dwindling as most countries prohibit it, and the hobby has responded, with the majority of stock being 100% captive born and self sustaining. If the hobby is self sustaining, it has no need for wild caught specimens and therefore can't have an impact. The biggest impact on wild tarantulas is deforestation and rampant pesticide use, neither of which involve the hobby...and on top of it all, many hobbyists simply refuse to buy wild caught stock, preferring captive born specimens.
Many of the most vulnerable species to captive collection have been protected now for decades (CITES). These laws are taken very seriously. Many other countries are simply deforesting these animals to extinction without a thought of the species at all, the hobby is the last place for many of these species to survive inevitable extinction.
Welcome to the boards young man, its a great place to learn.
For a 12 year old you seem very bright. Are you home schooled?If taking wild specimens is so 'dead', then why are Selenocosmia getting rarer? (Source: http://australianmuseum.net.au/australian-tarantulas)
No offence my friend, but I already knew all that... If you had a human who had a 'ganglion' rather than a brain, you couldn't lock him up, even though you knew that he didn't need to move around and that he'd be fed and he'd be really safe. It's basic humanity, you can't just take advantage of another species, race, breed, etc. because they have a ganglion rather than a brain. You're taking away their right to freedom and their choice. (Don't reply "it's just a spider", because that really pisses me off...)
So you're basically saying, unless tarantulas take their pens and write to us they want us to keep them, we should not do that because this is their "right"? I do not think you understand biological differences we have. We simply cannot compare humans to even apes, let alone arthropods. So we should not eat meat because animals don't want us to and it violates their right to live? We should not eat plants because plants are alive too? We should not breathe air because we are taking oxygen away from other life forms? This is basically what i'm reading between your lines. Listen, we were all 12 in our lives and we all had wildest ideas, but you seem very bright and if you already know all the info, you should be able to deduct some facts already about how life on this planet works.If taking wild specimens is so 'dead', then why are Selenocosmia getting rarer? (Source: http://australianmuseum.net.au/australian-tarantulas)
No offence my friend, but I already knew all that... If you had a human who had a 'ganglion' rather than a brain, you couldn't lock him up, even though you knew that he didn't need to move around and that he'd be fed and he'd be really safe. It's basic humanity, you can't just take advantage of another species, race, breed, etc. because they have a ganglion rather than a brain. You're taking away their right to freedom and their choice. (Don't reply "it's just a spider", because that really pisses me off...)
Welcome, enjoy your stayI am Ron, and I'm from Michigan. I'm 33 and I've been keeping tarantulas since about 8 years old. Right now, I have an 8 year old Chilean Copper that I've had since it was the size of a quarter, and I'd say probably about a 5 inch Theraphosa Stirmi that my girlfriend got me as an anniversary present. Always been fascinated by tarantulas.
As for the guy who says keeping tarantulas is inhumane, I probably offer a better home for them than they get in the wild. They are protected from predators, they will be having sex at some point, and they have a constant source of food and water. These conditions don't always exist in the wild.
Whereabouts in WI? I'm in the southeast corner of Milwaukee county, hit me up if you are ever in the area. Not enough Wisconsonites here on the boards.Hi all, I live in Wisconsin. I have enjoyed keeping insects and just about everything all my life. I am the owner of http://insectandentomology.forumotion.com/ where I am keeping all my journals and stuff like that! (It's New) But I am hoping to find some time to do some posting here as well and to get to know all of you guys!
Is that a cane corso?? Beautiful.I'm Colton, looking for some kindred spirits and to learn as much from others as i can. not many people into the hobby around my hometown. see you guys in the threads.
Feel free to message me if you have any questions or concernsHello all!
My name is Becca, 28, northern Alabama.
I'm new to being the caretaker for arachnids, have had mostly reptiles for a few years.
I'm tired of searching the web for answers all the time and a lot of my searches lead here so....
We recently adopted a pink toe my 7 year old lovingly named Charlotte, and so our T adventure begins.
As is with most things, I spent months reasherching and gathering materials for our new family member, but now that she is here, I find myself needing questions answered that only a more experienced Avicularia owner could help with. Hopefully I've come to the approate place. Thank you!