Internal Parasites - Ball Pythons

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And now you're taking things I say completely out of context, Galadriel.

Galadriel said:
And, by the way. tachinid flies strictly use insects and are only at pupal stage for 1-2 weeks. Couldn't be the cause of a ball python not eating for several months, even if they DID infest reptiles.
And this is what I said...

Evil Cheshire said:
The more I read, the more these sound like tachnid flies...

...only one problem, though. Those only parasitize bugs
I said the maggots resembled those of tachnid flies...I never said they were.

I never said those were blow or or botflies. I said those were possibilities.

I am simply telling him to raise them to adults so we can positively ID them, and warning against identification from comparing two different species of maggots since most if not all maggots look exactly alike.

Look at the pics of the maggots that barbiecat posted and then look at the pics of your cleaned up housefly maggots. They look very similar and if they weren't cleaned, you could miss the row of hooks. Plus, the low res camera doesn't help.

I am by no means a google expert. Since you know I'm 19, I'm assuming you've read some of my other posts and know about my internship. I assure you, I wouldn't be able to get an internship like this if I were meer a google-expert like you claim.

For those of you that don't know: I will be starting as an intern zookeeper at Blank Park Zoo in Des Moines, Iowa the week of September first. I've been working on this for two years, making the contacts and getting the references to make this possible.

I've worked with vets of all types (farm and reptile...oddly enough, no family pet vets :? ).

However, like I've been saying all along...there is NO way to POSTIVELY ID those from the pics given. He'd have to have a hell of a lot higher resolution than what he has and a good macro lens to get pics of what we need to positively ID those.
 
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...and I agreed. If it's importaint enough to him to find out, he should post pics of the adults. But, perhaps, he would be better off taking the preserved flies, whatever they happen to be, to an entemologist at one of the Uni's in his area for positive ID. My degree is in toxicology, specialty in herps...not bugs. So instead of trying to cut eachother's throats, maybe we should leave this one to the experts, yeah?

And by the way, has anyone noticed TripleG hasn't posted in a couple days? Maybe he's as tired of this debate as the rest of the world should be. I think maybe it's time to let it rest.
 

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I'm glad everyone is trying to help me identify these bugs for my future benefit, thanks so much to you all. I am still interested in finding out exactly what they are for my own knowledge but it will have to wait until the maggots mature to adulthood for a 100% positive ID. I'm not trying to start a fight between anyone so I hope I didn't but it looks like you are coming to terms with each other which is good to see. By the way, I did post yesterday as I have checked on and read all of your comments every day since I first posted with genuine interest and respect. I am not as knowledgable as some of you out there with degrees as I've had no formal training but I am certainly not stupid and I know that learning everything I can will only help me when I face similar problems in the future. Especially since I am in the process of beginning several breeding projects and hopefully starting a business with a few partners of mine. Thanks again for your help and support. I have isolated and begun to raise the maggots to adults so we will soon know for certain. Sorry I don't have a high-res camera to take pics with but I just don't have the money for everything all at once, lol.
 

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Somthing like this happened to me a while ago except i noticed a horrible smell from my snake while he was alive. i took him to a vet and i was given 2 choices let the snake live and live in pain or put him down. I had him put down and the disection revealed flys/maggots. normal house flys. The vet said he was injured and infected with maggots before i got him. maybe the same thing happened to you? hope u can get a new animal. I made the dealers life a liveing hell till he broke and replaced my animal.
joseofsa
 

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Or just get your money back. I'm not quite sure I'd want to visit and purchase anything from a petstore with questionable husbandry/ collecting techniques.
 

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yeah i agree with you there.. I don't think I'd be comfortable getting any more animals from this store. I've also heard other complaints about they way they treat their animals and while I'd like to get them into a better home I don't want to risk losing my investment or possibly harming the rest of my own collection.

They'll be hearing from me you can bet on it. Me/My friends have purchased enough things from this place for them to know we don't screw around. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this so if they don't agree to reimberse my cash then I'll have to tell ppl what store it was. Maybe enough complaints will motivate the guy to take better care of their animals. I noticed when i was there that their snakes were having trouble shedding b/c of low humidity and some of the enclosures were inadequate as well.
 

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oh yeah, it never made it to the vet I'm sorry to say I didn't make the appointment in time. I thought it was just a stubborn snake that wouldn't begin to feed so I tried everything until it looked like I had to make a vet visit, but too late.
 

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yeah i agree i almost took a stupid risk but the new animal was from a local breeder and he brought some in that day so i knew the animals were raised properly as i help cleaning feeding the animals he breeds.
 

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hey I actually saw a special on this in animal planet they need a warm blooded host they are maggots but they live in the warm blooded creature untill 1. it dies, 2. the maggots die, 3. they reach maturity. They could live without the host by that size i think but the mouse you fed it to could of been the host was it frozen or alive.
 

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Well, maybe this is a stupid question, but.... how large are/were the maggots? and how big was the snake? I can't tell from the pictures, and I didn't see anything in the post (could've missed it though). Also, how long was it after the snake died that you first noticed the maggots?

I'm very sorry for your loss.
 

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he has a pic with a maggot near a ruller go back and look, as for the snake cant talk there
 

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The maggot pic was posted by someone else.... sooo i figured it wasn't the actual maggots... could be wrong though....
 

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oh that i didnt notice.......well i guess we dont should get the exact size of the snake and the maggots at the time when they were first spotted
 

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Any parasitic fly.....

If one:

A. Had a long enough maturation time to have infected that snake since April/May (unlikely to near impossible, Dipterans are known for their incredibly fast development rate)

B. Lived in Canada and fed on snakes (extremely unlikely)

C. Fed gregariously on single prey item (also very unlikley, while wasps often have more than one larvae per host, parasitic flies usually only deposit a single egg)

If a parasitic fly did fit into above criteria...... it would have pupated within a few hours of emerging from the host (common in all parasitic flies)

Bot flies? Did your snake get bitten by that many mosquitoes? (that is how bot flies reach their host....)

Those are almost definitley calliphorid flies, laid on the snake soon after death. Definitley NOT a parasite.
 

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well some bot flies atacke other flies so your common hous fly could have been infected. But they do need a warm blooded host so i figure it was in whatever he ate.
 

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Ok, I think we learned a couple of things in this thread.

1) No one here knows jack about flies. :)

2) If your animal is sick, not eating, acting weird, acting lethargic... TAKE IT TO THE VET. Waiting four months to get proper help with a problem animal is borderline neglect. Yes, Ball Paythons commonly go months without eating, but that should be tolerated only after it has been you care long enough to know it is healthy before the fast.
 

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Mister Internet said:
1) No one here knows jack about flies. :)
I'll second that, although I did have some N. americanus that I lost to tachnid flies where the larvae took about a month to pupate after leaving the host.

ID was confirmed through google.
 
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