Identification of tliltocatl schroederi

[Yeya]

Hello I just got this T but it was sale like a tliltocatl schroederi but I see only black specimens so why this is brown???
Any of you have a juvenile specimen this will get black with the age and molting?

 

[Poonjab]

Looks like t.vagans

 

[BoyFromLA]

This is what Tliltocatl schroederi looks like.

 

[The Grym Reaper]

Some pics of mine (first two pics were prior to the revision)

Brachypelma schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Apr 17, 2019
• 2
• brachypelma brachypelma schroederi mexican black velvet tarantula schroederi

New suit for this one

Brachypelma schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Jul 15, 2019
• 4
• brachypelma brachypelma schroederi juvenile mexican black velvet mexican black velvet tarantula schroederi

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Tliltocatl schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Dec 6, 2019
• 1
• brachypelma schroederi juvenile mexican black velvet tarantula schroederi tliltocatl tlitocatl schroederi

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1.0 Tliltocatl schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Sep 20, 2020
• 3
• juvenile juvenile male male mexican black velvet schroederi tliltocatl tliltocatl schroederi

Venom rocking his new suit.

 

[ccTroi]

Some pics of mine (first two pics were prior to the revision)

Brachypelma schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Apr 17, 2019
• 2
• brachypelma brachypelma schroederi mexican black velvet tarantula schroederi

New suit for this one

Brachypelma schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Jul 15, 2019
• 4
• brachypelma brachypelma schroederi juvenile mexican black velvet mexican black velvet tarantula schroederi

New suit for Venom.

Tliltocatl schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Dec 6, 2019
• 1
• brachypelma schroederi juvenile mexican black velvet tarantula schroederi tliltocatl tlitocatl schroederi

New suit for Venom.

1.0 Tliltocatl schroederi

• The Grym Reaper
• Sep 20, 2020
• 3
• juvenile juvenile male male mexican black velvet schroederi tliltocatl tliltocatl schroederi

Venom rocking his new suit.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing the photos. What size is your specimen now? Can you upload an update pic? When does the carapace start turning dark? I would’ve suspected the first pic to be vagans or relatives.

 

[The Grym Reaper]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing the photos. What size is your specimen now? Can you upload an update pic? When does the carapace start turning dark? I would’ve suspected the first pic to be vagans or relatives.

Think he was about 2-3cm when I got him (Feb '19) and he's moulted 4 times since then (all the photos were taken once he'd hardened up after a moult so the 4th pic is after his most recent moult), he's about 8cm now.

 

[melissa Israel Stout]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing the photos. What size is your specimen now? Can you upload an update pic? When does the carapace start turning dark? I would’ve suspected the first pic to be vagans or relatives.

Are you sure that’s a Mexican black velvet because it’s carapace shouldn’t be brown my niece has two young slings that are a molt away from being juveniles and their carapace isn’t brown like that. I can have her send me pics and I can post later if needed for comparison

 

[The Grym Reaper]

Are you sure that’s a Mexican black velvet because it’s carapace shouldn’t be brown my niece has two young slings that are a molt away from being juveniles and their carapace isn’t brown like that. I can have her send me pics and I can post later if needed for comparison

I assume that you actually meant to reply to my message but yes I'm sure he's a T. schroederi.

There is a lot of variation with carapace colouration in some species (just a quick image search of T. schroederi shows varying amounts of brown on the carapace), and individuals of the same species don't all get their adult colouration at the same size. Brachypelma hamorii/smithi are great examples of why carapace colouration is not reliable for an ID.