ID This REALLY aggressive tarantula

[mistercurls]

I just recieved this t along with a p murinus. The guy told me its unidentified and i want to know what it is. It is the most aggressive tarantula ive seen in my experience keeping tarantulas. Its brown mostly and has fant stripping on the knees like an a seemani would have. I thought at first it was old world but im not sure. It kicks hairs and stands its ground and will attack anything that goes into the cage. Ive named it Lucifer for its aggressiveness. Can someone help me identify it.

Here are a few pics. I know they are not good quality but at least try.

 

[maxwellxxv]

i think

it is a young t-blondi

 

[pitbulllady]

The pics are really blurry, but this T does seem to have rust-colored spinnerettes, which means it IS an A. seemani. I've seen some really, really aggressive A. seemanis, and while I know that there are exceptions to every rule, I've yet to see one I'd consider "handleable". My blue-phase is about the calmest one I've seen, which means she's only bolted out of her enclosure once, and so far only tries to attack the stream of water as I refill her water dish, but she's still very high-strung, moreso than a lot of H. lividums I've seen, so I would say that the behavior of "Lucifer" is fairly typical for this species.

pitbulllady

 

[mistercurls]

I though it was an a seemani because of the spinnerettes also i just wasnt sure.
So its for sure A. seemani?

 

[Snipes]

T. blondi? The colors also look a bit like some C. crawshay i have seen.

 

[MindUtopia]

I wouldn't even reckon at guess without clear pics. See if you can get some better shots of it.

 

[pitbulllady]

T. blondi? The colors also look a bit like some C. crawshay i have seen.

The original poster said it kicks hairs, which means it's got to be a New World T. Immature A. seemanis are a brown color, with faint striping, but still have the rust-colored spinnerettes. My old female can be really cranky, and I've seen some really nasty specimens at reptile shows, that wouldn't hesitate to bite anything that moved, and the younger ones seem more prone to defensive behavior, which is true of many T's.

pitbulllady

 

[Scorp guy]

Hi,

That T is mine i gave to mistercurls. it was sold as brown velvet. It is very aggresive, and a dark brown-ish color. Sorry, i'll get into more details later.

 

[MindUtopia]

Possible opinions based on the common name 'brown velvet':

Megaphobema velvetosoma- Ecuadorian Brown Velvet
http://www.birdspiders.com/archive/15B00D17KD0B7KAEC2K1486F5A6CD1F4588.html

or

Pamphobeteus vespertinum- Colombian Brown Velvet
http://www.birdspiders.com/archive/15B04360KD0B7KAEC2K14CC6C36F560753B.html

Just from what I can make out from those pics, my guess would be the P. vespertinum, but I can't tell with a whole lot of certainty.

 

[GailC]

There is a local pet store here that sells seemani's as brown velvet. Thats what mine was labled as.

 

[Scorp guy]

I believe it's OW, i could recognize no U-hairs on it at all, very little hairs at all in fact. I've never seen a semanni like that, i've had several adults myself and neevr seen one like this, it lacks the noticible hairs, large fang appereance, and this one stayed hidden ALL the time. i've also never had a semmani show THIS much aggresion... they are mean, yes, but not like this.

 

[RichardG]

I'm fairly certain it is Anoploscelus celeripes.

I'm assuming it is a w/c which came in with the murinus (probably from Tanzania)? The rubbed abdomen suggests it was w/c. I think I can make out a stridulation organ between the coxae of the palp and leg I, which make it a Eumenophorinae. The transverse fovea, thin leg IV, coloration and presumed collection location would make it an Anoploscelus. Oh, and the attitude is right for that species too

Can you get clearer photos?

Cheers,
Richard

PS. just re-read your post and you say it kicks hairs. Are you 100% sure about this, because some wild caught Eumenophorinae loose abdominal setae during shipping.

 

[Scorp guy]

I'm fairly certain it is Anoploscelus celeripes.

I'm assuming it is a w/c which came in with the murinus (probably from Tanzania)? The rubbed abdomen suggests it was w/c. I think I can make out a stridulation organ between the coxae of the palp and leg I, which make it a Eumenophorinae. The transverse fovea, thin leg IV, coloration and presumed collection location would make it an Anoploscelus. Oh, and the attitude is right for that species too

Can you get clearer photos?

Cheers,
Richard

PS. just re-read your post and you say it kicks hairs. Are you 100% sure about this, because some wild caught Eumenophorinae loose abdominal setae during shipping.

As i've said, I bought it from a petstore, the murinus was from a buddy of mine, which i then sent to mistercurls. I have no idea of the whereabouts of it. I have never seen it kick hairs at me, Sorry if i posted some confusion here.

 

[Sheri]

I don't think it is NW either - first thought I had was Haplopelma.

Either way, set it up in an obligate tank as soon as possible with a pre-started burrow.

 

[Scorp guy]

I'm fairly certain it is Anoploscelus celeripes.

I'm assuming it is a w/c which came in with the murinus (probably from Tanzania)? The rubbed abdomen suggests it was w/c. I think I can make out a stridulation organ between the coxae of the palp and leg I, which make it a Eumenophorinae. The transverse fovea, thin leg IV, coloration and presumed collection location would make it an Anoploscelus. Oh, and the attitude is right for that species too

Can you get clearer photos?

Cheers,
Richard

PS. just re-read your post and you say it kicks hairs. Are you 100% sure about this, because some wild caught Eumenophorinae loose abdominal setae during shipping.

I don't think it is NW either - first thought I had was Haplopelma.

Either way, set it up in an obligate tank as soon as possible with a pre-started burrow.

It's definately not Anoploscelus celeripes. MUCH smaller than that one pictured, the legs are much smaller than the one pictured, color is completely different, and fangs are MUCH MUCH smaller than that one, and like said, the U-hairs are not noticable at all on this one. it appears almost all bald.

It had about 4" of substrate....never tried to burrow at all, always stayed hidden in a hide, with a small web it made. i dont think it's of the haploploma genus. Not AS reclusive as my lividums...but still pretty reclsive.

 

[RichardG]

Can you check the following things, these should help narrow things down:

On the sternum where are the posterior pair of sigilla placed? Are they almost in the middle of the sternum, or sitting on the edge of the sternum?

Can you see white tufts on the rear face of coxae I & II (when viewed from above)? Also is there a reddish tuft on the rear face of the palp's trochanter?

Does it stridulate loudly?

Is the abdomen uniformly colored (upper and under side), or is there a distinct colour difference?

How much silk did it produce? Loads like a P. murinus, or virtually nothing like Hysterocrates?

Is the metatarsal scopula on leg IV divided by a line of hair, or not?

Remember Anoploscelus is extremely slow growing (crawshayi speed), so don't be too quick to rule it out. Their coloration also varies considerably between moults (from Hysterocrtaes brown through to crawshayi brown)

Is there a patch of feathery white hairs on the outer surface of the chelicerae?

Cheers,
Richard

 

[IguanaMama]

I'm a little short on cash and I'm willing to bet money it's a seemani. Is that allowed on the boards? OK, J/K about the bet, but I still think it's a seemani.

 

[Ando55]

At first I thought it was a C Crawshayi but I deleted my post since I read the T kicked hairs, this T looks more OW to me than NW. The pics posted remind me a lot fo these pics:

Black crackling on caraplace and knee striping are similar to the pics posted,along with the "rusted" spinnerettes

 

[lucanidae]

C. crawshayi have thickend 4th legs and the spider in question doesn't. It can't be a C. crawshayi.

 

[DavidRS]

The shape of the bald patches appear exactly as i've seen on a species with urticating hairs. But, that's as far as i'll go.