ID This REALLY aggressive tarantula
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At first I thought it was a C Crawshayi but I deleted my post since I read the T kicked hairs, this T looks more OW to me than NW. The pics posted remind me a lot fo these pics:
Black crackling on caraplace and knee striping are similar to the pics posted,along with the "rusted" spinnerettes
I'll say for the last time, THIS spider has never kicked uraticating hairs at me, i apoligize if i even said that, but it DOESNT. It's OW. it also has no thick legs, theya re small and thin, more like that of a chromatus of mine....
It's OW and DOESNT kick hairs....it does not kick hairs...
I'm sorry if my post went at you for saying that, I know you clarified yourself, in no way was my post meant to show that you didn't correct yourself as you did. I'm sorry for the confusing post
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I'm not clear on this, but has it ever kicked hairs? ;P
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so wait this is confusing, does it kick hairs or does it not? Scorp guy says its OW but mistercurls says it has kicked hairs which is it?
I think its an abused Aphonopelma seemanni in need of a molt.
I think its an abused Aphonopelma seemanni in need of a molt.
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I dont know...in all my care, it's given me a ton of threat poses, Tried to bite me, and lunged at tongs and a cup, but NEVER kicked hairs. it was balder than a H. lividum....never saw a single hair on it.
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Tell that to my collection of Chilobrachys! All this time and they never new they had an identity crisis.
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Only females of this species have the thickened leg IV. Males (immature and mature) don't. Of course, I'm not suggesting that the spider in question could be C. crawshayi.
I think the best reasoning here would be to listen to what Richard has to say.
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Ok Im sorry ive confused everyone. Im very confused myself. Like scorpguy says the abdomen is very bald. But a few times it has rubbed its leg on the abdomen very fast like hair kickers would to do so when threatend. So im not sure if it does or doesnt but ive seen it do this a good 5 or 6 times since i recieved it. Also i have yet to hear it stridulate if that helps anyone. Also there is no feathery hairs on the chelicerae. The posterior pair of sigilla are on the outer edge of the strernum i think. thats what it looks like. Also on the back legs it has those spines like A. seemani have and other spiders that ive seen that have them if that helps any. The abdoman looks to be a little lighter on the bottom also.
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My scientific wild ass guess based on this horrible quality picture is a premolt Haplopelma sp. "Vietnam" because it is THE species frequently ordered by pet stores that have a crazy defensive demeanor. Being imports, a whole variety of colors can be seen until it molts to be a typical jet black spider with pronounced striping on the patella. That's my guess until a better quality picture is taken post molt.
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well not that I can see clearly but the bald patches on the abdomen. due to the shape clearly show it is a kicker in my opinion.. you can see the wear pattern is consistent with the kicking motion. if it is lighter on the bottom than the top then that is similar to A.seemanni . however if it is consistently "velvety" and has no longer hairs on the body I dont thikn it would be A.seemanni.. could just be some uncommon species that happened to get caught and shipped off. it certainly "looks" OW but clearly is a kicker. so I would say this is just a good confusing ID. clear pics would be awesome.
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As frustrating as it may be to wait, your best bet at getting anything close to an accurate guess is to wait til it molts and post pics of it post-molt. Then we might be able to at least narrow it down to the genus. You could also seek out someone to send the molt off to.
OK, now we're talking:
So on these observations it shouldn't be from any of these subfamilies: Eumenophorinae, Ornithoctoninae, Harpactirinae, Selenocosmiinae. The body shape is not Aviculariinae either. So that leaves us with:
Theraphosinae, Ischnocolinae or Thrigmopoeinae.
You say the spider attempted to kick hair several times (well assuming this is what was happening), then that rules out Ischnocolinae and Thrigmopoeinae. And it isn't Stromatopelminae and very unlikely to be Selenogyrinae.
So we are left with the high probability that it is from the Theraphosinae subfamily. Well that narrows it down, sort of
If you can get somebody to take a clearer picture then I'm sure we can help further
Richard
In that case it is highly unlikely to be from the Eumenophorinae subfamily - these stridulate extremely loudly and are never shy of doing so (except for one species). Also rules out many larger Selenocosmiinae.
That rules out the Ornithoctoninae and Harpactirinae (Harpactirella excepted).
That rules out almost all of the Eumenophorinae genera.
I'm assuming you mean lateral and dorsal spines on the tibia and metatarsus? In which case that rules out all Eumenophorinae again (and I think Selenocosmiinae).
Now that does sound like a seemanni characteristic.
So on these observations it shouldn't be from any of these subfamilies: Eumenophorinae, Ornithoctoninae, Harpactirinae, Selenocosmiinae. The body shape is not Aviculariinae either. So that leaves us with:
Theraphosinae, Ischnocolinae or Thrigmopoeinae.
You say the spider attempted to kick hair several times (well assuming this is what was happening), then that rules out Ischnocolinae and Thrigmopoeinae. And it isn't Stromatopelminae and very unlikely to be Selenogyrinae.
So we are left with the high probability that it is from the Theraphosinae subfamily. Well that narrows it down, sort of
If you can get somebody to take a clearer picture then I'm sure we can help further
Richard
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Well thast cool. Ill try to get some better quality pictures, and if it molts soon or whenever it does molt, Ill take more pictures and post them. Thanks to everyone who attempted at identifying it.