Hygrometer shows 99%

[JimM]

You should read the posts again.

Reading comprehension isn't a challenge of mine.
Nobody has said you can keep tarantulas under absolutely any conditions and they'll be just fine and dandy.

 

[Fran]

Nobody has said you can keep tarantulas under absolutely any conditions and they'll be just fine and dandy.

I didnt say that somebody said that eaither.

This is pointless. You just dont want to undersand,either to admit that you dont know it all.
All this because of a simple hygrometer. Geez...
A simple hygrometer.
I wonder where is that OCD coming from...

 

[JimM]

Nobody is taking issue with your simple hygrometer, or the fact that you use it. Your assertions with regard to the simple hygrometer are the problem.

 

[Fran]

Nobody is taking issue with your simple hygrometer, or the fact that you use it. Your assertions with regard to the simple hygrometer are the problem.

:? :? :?

 

[satanslilhelper]

I've spoken to one of the top breeders in the country. It was back in June I think at a reptile show. I was asking him about all of the humidity issues and he put it very simply. He said you can use them if you want, but it's really a waste of time and money. This was from Kelly Swift. I don't think somebody that has been in this hobby for as long as him is full of it. He was also one of the first, if not the first, to breed P. metallica among others species as well in the U.S.. Now I didn't speak to him about whether or not he used them to check on breeding processes.

While he said what he did. He wasn't meaning to not keep the humidity up for species that require it. He was merely saying that you don't have to be OCD accurate about it either. Personally, I don't care how Fran keeps his animals. I'm sure that he keeps them well. I'm just saying we don't need a thread this long to argue about a piece of crap hygrometer. If you want to use them please by all means do. If you don't, fine your not doing anything wrong by not using them.

I think some of you guys should just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Fran]

I've spoken to one of the top breeders in the country. It was back in June I think at a reptile show. I was asking him about all of the humidity issues and he put it very simply. He said you can use them if you want, but it's really a waste of time and money. This was from Kelly Swift. I don't think somebody that has been in this hobby for as long as him is full of it. He was also one of the first, if not the first, to breed P. metallica among others species as well in the U.S.. Now I didn't speak to him about whether or not he used them to check on breeding processes.

While he said what he did. He wasn't meaning to not keep the humidity up for species that require it. He was merely saying that you don't have to be OCD accurate about it either. Personally, I don't care how Fran keeps his animals. I'm sure that he keeps them well. I'm just saying we don't need a thread this long to argue about a piece of crap hygrometer. If you want to use them please by all means do. If you don't, fine your not doing anything wrong by not using them.

I think some of you guys should just agree to disagree on this one.

Not to disrespect Kelly Swift by any means, but thats another opinion ot add to the bunch.
The enclosure can look perfectly fine for you, with a full water dish and have 50% of humidity in the tank. Same with the temperature.

Keep certain sp like that for a long period of time and they wont last too long or at the very least wont behave normally, wont reach their potencial sizes, wont be easy to bred...Etc.

Im just gonna point out that in my 14 years of keeping and breeding t's I have never had a bad molt, a sudden death (not from t's I have raised and kept a long time), and all my tarantulas surprisingly reach quite large leg spans,for their respective sp.

PS: Is quite normal an answer like that from someone that has hundreds or thausands of T's.
When people have that many animals is obvious to think that the quality of the care and conditions gets involved in some point.

 

[JimM]

When people have that many animals is obvious to think that the quality of the care and conditions gets involved in some point.

What?.....

 

[Fran]

What?.....

When people have that many t's, the quality of the conditions in which those t's are kept are never gonna be as good as it should, or at least is jeopardized at some point.

 

[JimM]

Fran, I'm glad that you're taking good care of your T's my friend.
That really is all that matters in the end.

 

[satanslilhelper]

I really want to say something, but instead I will go argue with my steering wheel on the way to the store. :wall:

 

[Falk]

I used 3 exoterra analog hygrometers placed in a row at the same height and they all gave different answers.

 

[Fran]

We are talking about hygrometers a of a bit better quality than those of the pet stores...

 

[ArachnoYak]

Just a thought...maybe Tarantulas have learned to tolerate higher levels of humidity as a tradeoff for living in areas where prey items are more abundant(ie rainforest).

 

[Exo]

Just a thought...maybe Tarantulas have learned to tolerate higher levels of humidity as a tradeoff for living in areas where prey items are more abundant(ie rainforest).

Or some tarantulas have learned to tolerate low humidity as a tradeoff for living in areas where there are less animals to prey upon them (ie desert).

 

[ArachnoYak]

Or some tarantulas have learned to tolerate low humidity as a tradeoff for living in areas where there are less animals to prey upon them (ie desert).

Roger That!

 

[Fran]

Nature is not stupid, and in Nature things dont happen just for the hell of it...
If a tarantula is native to the jungle, that means those temps and surroundings must be the base point for us to keep them successfully in captivity, and sometimes nature has shown us that some animals dont tolerate captivity life.

We cant compare tarantulas to humans, by any means. The degree and capacity of adaptation for us human is way higher than for a theraphosid.
Besides, and not meaning that is the perfect example, but we can artificially keep a human being alive hooked up to a machine. That doesn't mean we are living perfectly fine,happy and behaving as if our living situation was the ideal. Just living as a darn vegetable,laying there in bed with only our vital constants.

Thats what I mean about our t's in the tanks. The fact tat they re there, living, doesn not mean they are fine. No matter how many years have those things been with you in the tank. These animals are unpredictable enough to not show much of a difference sometimes,and we could never know how different they would have behaved,how much longer they could have lived, how much larger... with the right temps,humidity, surroundings,pace...etc.

That beig said, I do not think by any means that getting a proper thermometer and hygrometer to help me with those conditions is having OCD,obsses,stupid,silly....At all.
As simple as buying it, and putting it inside. Thats it. forget about gessing if its too cold or its too warm,if its too dry and should you mist them...Just read the thing.Period.

Now, you dont want to buy one. Thats great.But dont be stupid saying that is stupid,because it has its reasonable reason.


This is like having dogs. Some people have them "ok", some other take a bit more care in them.
Its up to you how much you care about your t's.How much of an" accurate " "natural life" you want to provide them.
If you are like me, then you will buy one.

 

[rasputin]

Wow, I've seen a handfull of absolutely proposterous threads in my time but this...well, it doesn't take the cake but it's pretty high up there.

I'm siding with Fran's last post and that's all I have to say.

 

[curiousme]

Thats what I mean about our t's in the tanks. The fact tat they re there, living, doesn not mean they are fine.

This statement is true and make me think of betas. People keep them in those tiny cups and then wonder why they die in a month or two. What it shows is that they are resilient fish, because they can still live that long in such bad conditions. They will actually live 2 or more years if kept correctly in larger tanks with a filter and weekly water changes.

That beig said, I do not think by any means that getting a proper thermometer and hygrometer to help me with those conditions is having OCD,obsses,stupid,silly....At all.
As simple as buying it, and putting it inside. Thats it. forget about gessing if its too cold or its too warm,if its too dry and should you mist them...Just read the thing.Period.

i will not say it is stupid, but it is overworrying. This is because monitoring the RH is always going to be a variable and not extremely reliable. If there was a way to gauge the actual humidity and not the relative humidity, then it might make more sense to me.

We have never bred any T, so i can't attest to their usefulness in that situation. For the average keeper though, it is an unnecessary expense and worry.

Now, you dont want to buy one. Thats great.But dont be stupid saying that is stupid,because it has its reasonable reason.

This is purely your opinion Fran. Just because you think something is reasonable, does not mean it is.

Its up to you how much you care about your t's.How much of an" accurate " "natural life" you want to provide them.

Since it is impossible to give them an 'accurate' and 'natural life' while in captivity, then taking care of their basic needs is the extent of what you can do.

If you are like me, then you will buy one.

We were like you at one point, monitored the humidity on almost an hourly basis sometimes, but then learned that if you know how to keep that humidity up, there is no reason to have the ugly thing in the enclosure to worry over constantly.

i am unsure if you just don't understand how hygrometers work, or if you are just stubborn about being right. Either way, i have no desire to quibble with you Fran, but i do disagree with you.

 

[Fran]

Well, I have over 2 years of Physics in college,so I think I have the hygrometers cover.

Quote by me:
Now, you dont want to buy one. Thats great.But dont be stupid saying that is stupid,because it has its reasonable reason.

And you said:

This is purely your opinion Fran. Just because you think something is reasonable, does not mean it is.


Well I just explained why it is reasonable, if it doesnt appear to be to you...thats you opinion Curiousme. What can I tell you...

Im not the stubborn one about being right, im just saying that calling the use of hygrometers stupid, is way more stupid.

 

[curiousme]

Well I just explained why it is reasonable, if it doesnt appear to be to you...thats you opinion Curiousme. What can I tell you...

Well, they are like kittens you know....

Im not the stubborn one about being right, im just saying that calling the use of hygrometers stupid, is way more stupid.

Which is why i called it unnecessary.

They can be helpful if you need to get a feel for how to keep your humidity in a good range, but beyond that, i see no use for them besides to make yourself feel like you are doing better things for your Ts.