Heads Up - US Postal Service is enforcing the law

[UrbanJungles]

What I would like to know, is what do local pet stores use to acquire their tarantulas? Or if they get them from a local shipper, where do THEY get theirs from??

What about large-scale businesses online like Carolina biological supply (which carries T's) or LLL reptile? What do they use to ship legally?

Many suppliers deliver via local trucks to pet shops. Other large scale wholesalers have UPS and FedEx Accts that allow them to ship animals via prior agreements. Lastly there is also overnight airport to airport shipping which is costly but worth it if you have a decent sized live order.

 

[paulatpetshop]

After much research.. i have come to the conclusion that there is no legal way to ship spiders.. The closest thing is "reptile shipping"...And we know that spiders are not reptiles.. Therefore whomever is shipping tarantulas,wheather there is reptiles in the box or not is in violation of federal law. There are no provisions for legal shipment of spiders via usps,fed ex or UPS. All will tell you that they do not ship spiders.

postal code…124.293c2 go to usps.com and see it in black and white


1 there is no legal way to ship arachnids other than delta airlines..
2 usps, ups,fed ex all do not allow the transportation of arachnids.
3 shipmyreptiles.com will ship snakes via ups, because they have a permit..and .. it would be fairly easy for a private party to get permission from ups to ship reptiles including snakes, but no arachnids. However... if you shipped a parcel via ups labeled snakes it would not be legal without permission but i highly doubt it would be searched.
4 . we need to try to change the law because the hobby itself is at stake here..
a. we can find a lawyer to challenge the postal service pro bono
b. we can hire one at our cost
c. we can contact P.I.J.A.K. for help
d. sue the postal service for damages in a class action law suit.

There is no basis for this law.. no one on record has ever been harmed by a tarantula bad enough to warrant this law. Scorpions and bees as well as disease carrying animals are transported by the USPS every day... chickens carry all kinds of diseases and mice also carry diseases.. just to name a few..
People are killed by scorpions and bees, but yet they will transport them.
Tarantulas as a species are being called "harmful" and they are not.. If they were ,there would have some kind of record to substiantiate their claim.
There are 100's of thousands of spiders here in the US and they were transported sucessfully ,without any problems at all,Illegally.
The government stands to loose revenue and so does the pet industry. All because of a descrimination against arachnids,tarantulas especially. Someone has just decided to say they are harmful and no one has challenged it in recient years. The last challenge was back in 1986,or something like that. If we all stand together and organize ourselves, we can make a difference. I am sure of it.

 

[flamesbane]

This is just a suggestion, but instead of trying to have the USPS laws changed directly why not make the carriers compete for our patronage?

We could compile some facts about how many tarantulas are annually shipped, and how much this hobby spends on shipping. We could then set up this website with this information along with a petition for people looking to change shipping. Send all this to all the major carries and basically say "We want to do this legally please help us and we will ship all these packages via your service" Then let each carrier know that we sent this to every other carrier. With any luck one of them will bite. The economy is down, and so even though we only send a small amount of packages compared to large companies, I am sure a carrier would like the business.

 

[whitewolf]

P.I.J.A.K. :? I'm a doof what is that.

This does sound like a good idea Paul. A carrier may be more willing to pick up the shipping if they where given the ability legally.

We need to ban together and get some quotes on good attorneys. I know locally the retainer fee on civil divorce trials begins at 3,500 to 4,000. This is going to be a federal case so the fee may be more given the cost of federal appearances and filing of papers. I'll try to contact my divorce attorney and see what steps we need to go through. Is it possible for someone to collect donations for an attorney if everyone is willing to help. Since this will effect the entire hobby.

 

[flamesbane]

P.I.J.A.K. :? I'm a doof what is that.

This does sound like a good idea Paul. A carrier may be more willing to pick up the shipping if they where given the ability legally.

We need to ban together and get some quotes on good attorneys. I know locally the retainer fee on civil divorce trials begins at 3,500 to 4,000. This is going to be a federal case so the fee may be more given the cost of federal appearances and filing of papers. I'll try to contact my divorce attorney and see what steps we need to go through. Is it possible for someone to collect donations for an attorney if everyone is willing to help. Since this will effect the entire hobby.

The problem would be determining WHO would collect the donations. It is very easy to make a donation via paypal.

 

[Stopdroproll]

The problem would be determining WHO would collect the donations. It is very easy to make a donation via paypal.

It depends, I remember a forum (I think Something Awful) had a donation account made for victims of a hurricane (I think Katrina) that was shut down because there were so many transactions to it. I don't remember what happened afterward.

Found story.
http://brucebeh.com/paypal-scammers.htm

 

[whitewolf]

It depends, I remember a forum (I think Something Awful) had a donation account made for victims of a hurricane (I think Katrina) that was shut down because there were so many transactions to it. I don't remember what happened afterward.

Found story.
http://brucebeh.com/paypal-scammers.htm

Interesting. Seems as though a shipping transaction number would have to occur if too many donations were received by someone. Well that could hurt that then. Would be ok if a dealer did it and something was bought and shipped plus a donation given but potential hurt them if it was just a donation. Perhaps someone did a complaint on that account just to be rude.

 

[flamesbane]

Interesting. Seems as though a shipping transaction number would have to occur if too many donations were received by someone. Well that could hurt that then. Would be ok if a dealer did it and something was bought and shipped plus a donation given but potential hurt them if it was just a donation. Perhaps someone did a complaint on that account just to be rude.

People filed complaints against that account...that is why it was shut down.