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hello,
does anyone recognize what species of flat rock this is? thanks,
paul
does anyone recognize what species of flat rock this is? thanks,
paul
Thanks, Dave!Originally posted by skinheaddave
Looks like some form of H.troglodytes to me. On the other hand, I don't know that much about taxonomy within this genus. There seems to be a wide variation in colour in what the pet trade calls "H.troglodytes" which means there could be multiple species which are being misidentified or that the genus contains substantial variation. Anyhow, it looks to be a female, whatever species it is.
Cheers,
Dave
Paul, any info you would like to share about breeding the trogs? I have a male and female together in a 66 sterilite bin. there are two hides in opposing corners, and two water dishes in the other two opposing corners. there is a large flat rock in the center of the bin. temps are lows of 72 and highs of 82. both are eating well and I feed them as much as they want. I have not seen any courting/mating behaviour except for when I first put them together and the female was the one that was interested. they have been together for about 3 weeks now.Originally posted by phoenixxavierre
I have kept and bred H. troglodytes before
thanks Dave! I have been toying with the idea of a small (50 watt) basking light aimed at the center of the enclosure to bump up the temps a bit, I think I will try that and keep an eye on temp levels.Originally posted by skinheaddave
Ed,
I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I looked up some climate data and during what I suspect is breeding season (right about now -- anyone with the first Polis book can probably double-check this), the average temperature is around 82 with the average maximum being about 92. You might want to consider raising your temps a bit.
Rainfall is also about maximum for the year which still isn't much. However, a few mistings would not be out of order. Also, the introduction of plenty of crickets is good. Both should be well fed and convinced that now is a time of plenty.
Lastly, today the sun rose in Johannesburg at 5:20 and set at 19:03. If you do the math, that's about a 14:10 photoperiod. You may have to artificialy extend the photoperiod to compensate for our shorter days here in the Northern hemisphere.
Candlelight, some Barry White and you're set.
Cheers,
Dave
Sure, Ed.Originally posted by atavuss
Paul, any info you would like to share about breeding the trogs? I have a male and female together in a 66 sterilite bin. there are two hides in opposing corners, and two water dishes in the other two opposing corners. there is a large flat rock in the center of the bin. temps are lows of 72 and highs of 82. both are eating well and I feed them as much as they want. I have not seen any courting/mating behaviour except for when I first put them together and the female was the one that was interested. they have been together for about 3 weeks now.
Ed
Thanks, Dave!Originally posted by skinheaddave
Paul,
He has posted a pic here, about half-way down the page.
Cheers,
Dave
This is sold as a Banded Flat Rock at a local exotic pet store.Originally posted by phoenixxavierre
hello,
does anyone recognize what species of flat rock this is? thanks,
paul
Thankyou Jon!Originally posted by Big Dragonfly
This is sold as a Banded Flat Rock at a local exotic pet store.
Jon
H. paucidens? sold as H. bicolor? Doesn't surprise me really, as the first time I bought a flat rock it ended up being an Iomachus or Iopolitus or Euscorpios or something like that (sorry can't remember the family) I traded out a lot of captive bred species of these (they were wild collected in Mozambique, a male/female pair), so I bet there are at least 30 Euscorpios or whatever floating around out there as H. troglodytes.Originally posted by invertepet
I've seen these offered as 'H. bicolor'... FWIW.
bill
Just a minor note I think all cold blooded creatures use Thermo-regulation (I believe that's what it's called); by going out into the sunlight to get warm, and going someplace dark to cool down. Being how that an ecto-thermic creature's body temperature is usually that of it's environment.... Well to make a long story short (if it's not to late) being under direct heat from the light being in the "center of the enclosure" with no place for them to escape might overheat them. I always watch on the Discovery channel and when they do a desert scorpion special it always shows them trying to escape from open areas by making burrows, or using other abandoned homes. Yes I know a 50 watt bulb probably doesn't put of much heat, but I believe I read that most bulbs put off 10% light and 90% heat.thanks Dave! I have been toying with the idea of a small (50 watt) basking light aimed at the center of the enclosure to bump up the temps a bit, I think I will try that and keep an eye on temp levels.
I just went and checked the temps with a non-contact infrared thermometer. the warmest spot I could find was 100 degrees right in the center where the long flat rock is. the coolest temp was either hide where it was 83 degrees. the 50 watt basking light is 16" from the rock. there is a 12-12 photoperiod set with a digital timer. there are two hides and two water dishes, I keep the water dishes full and overflow them slightly once a week. I have had the basking light setup for at least a month and I have been carefully monitoring the temps, so far it seems to be working well. I occasionally see the female basking (for the lack of a better term) at the outer edge of the basking light aimpoint where the temp is in the low 90's. I gave Mike "Troll" his male back (the infamous "Pinchy") and I got an adult male from Bill (invertepet). sure hope I get some babies from the female, I hear they have a long gestation time though.Originally posted by proteus
Just a minor note I think all cold blooded creatures use Thermo-regulation (I believe that's what it's called); by going out into the sunlight to get warm, and going someplace dark to cool down. Being how that an ecto-thermic creature's body temperature is usually that of it's environment.... Well to make a long story short (if it's not to late) being under direct heat from the light being in the "center of the enclosure" with no place for them to escape might overheat them. I always watch on the Discovery channel and when they do a desert scorpion special it always shows them trying to escape from open areas by making burrows, or using other abandoned homes. Yes I know a 50 watt bulb probably doesn't put of much heat, but I believe I read that most bulbs put off 10% light and 90% heat.
So maybe putting the light on either side of the enclosure would give them a place to retreat from being under the light.