getting too advanced spids

[Jilly1337]

Aside from the obvious common sense of it, I think most people recommend docile, easy to care for species because that's what was probably they were told when they got into the hobby. We all learn from each other and pass it down. Some people like to blow hot air at each other, usually about matters of opinion, which is really a distraction from the point of sharing our hobby and exchanging knowlege while learning together. While I find all of this "my T knowledge is bigger than your T knowledge" bickering to be very entertaining, the fact of the matter is, there are few people in our real lives who get our love for T's. We come here because we have a common passion which we cannot share with some of our closest friends.


All that being said, this place has always been the shark tank of T forums. It's always been that way and it will probably never change, lol.

 

[Jilly1337]

I want to add that personally, I think a really good reason not to start out too advanced is that it seems like it would take a lot of the thrill out of the hobby. I mean, if you start with Pokies what do you have to look forward to next,unless you are only going to have a few (riiiiight!!. I'm not saying everyone should start out with Rosies, but there is something to be valued in learning the basics of something then stepping it up later on.

 

[Kirsten]

*pulling hair out* Jiminy Cricket, why does everyone seem to be bashing the Roseas? Are they really the slums; I love mine.( OK she doesn't do much,but she's VERY spiritual. I know..I see her meditate..a lot.)

 

[Arachnobrian]

I personally dove head in starting Nov. 2009. I started with a begginer species(A.Avic) but have quickly moved on to obtain some of the species more reccomended for experienced hobbyists. Along with the avic i've got a 6" MF H.Lividum, 5" MF P. Irminia, 6" MF G. Pulchripes and a 2" P.Regalis and I haven't had a problem with any of them.

No offence in any way, but you have not owned and cared for these long enough to have a problem yet.

It may never happen, but if it ever does, having the experience and calmness to deal with the situation would be helpful.

 

[violentblossom]

No offence in any way, but you have not owned and cared for these long enough to have a problem yet.

The way I see it, all T's can be unpredictable (especially some of those that he/she mentioned), and a problem could arise within one day of having them. Some credit is due for said user not yet having a problem, even if it isn't much.

Is there a timeline for credibility with more volatile species? Not as much as some might think.

 

[WelshTan]

I don't know how many of you would agree with me..or not but here goes.....

Tarantulas are an ornamental pet. Look, admire and marvel, but dont really touch. Just like your Grandma's vase that is on her mantlepiece that was handed down to her from her mother, and so on. Anyone who is responsible (and in my eyes not a child-sorry to the younger T keepers) can own an "advanced tarantula" as long as they don't expect to be able to hold it, get it out to show friends, or poke things at it to show friends "how defensive it can be and look at the threat pose and fangs on that!!" Any person who owns an intermediate or advanced keeper tarantula must always have/show a high level of respect for the T and be prepared for the T to suddenly want to bolt at even the slightest level of cage maintenance.

I wouldnt really recommend a T such as OBT, H. mac and the likes as a first T especially to someone who has only had, say, an Avic or Rosea as their first T, but even those T's can show some speed when they feel threatened.

If you are responsible, have truly done your research, watched videos on say youtube to show the startling speed that some OW species can show and truly think you are prepared for them, then go for it... but always make sure you have plenty of catch cups ready, long tweezers, a clear surrounding space and the knowledge of what a potential bite can do to you.

 

[Steve Calceatum]

*pulling hair out* Jiminy Cricket, why does everyone seem to be bashing the Roseas? Are they really the slums; I love mine.( OK she doesn't do much,but she's VERY spiritual. I know..I see her meditate..a lot.)

+1
I completely agree with you 110%!!!!! Out of all the colorful and varied tempermented T's I have (ranging from Avic avic to S. cal), I'd keep my Rosie over any of the others. And we meditate together quite often, lol!!!

I think all the Rosie-bashing is just someone's insecurity that a common, plain brown, LPS-variety spider will make them look all wussy in front of their Pokie-keeping Internet friends they've never met IRL.

 

[paul fleming]

+1
I completely agree with you 110%!!!!! Out of all the colorful and varied tempermented T's I have (ranging from Avic avic to S. cal), I'd keep my Rosie over any of the others. And we meditate together quite often, lol!!!

I think all the Rosie-bashing is just someone's insecurity that a common, plain brown, LPS-variety spider will make them look all wussy in front of their Pokie-keeping Internet friends they've never met IRL.

I have nothing against rosies and in fact,I am looking for a nice big female.
I think you are spot on BTW.

 

[Sarcastro]

When I started in this hobby I didn't get a choice on what to start with, it was either..Avic.avic, rosea ,or smithi's and other stuff I collected on my own as a kid there wasn't anything else.The hobby was around, but it was nowhere as big as it was now.I mean I didn't get my first pokie until '99...there is a much bigger selection now and people are gonna buy what they want whether their ready for it or not.trial and error, that's the way we learn.In my opinion as long as you do your research before hand, practice good common sense,and have a great respect for the animal and what its capable of,you should start with whatever you feel your ready for.

 

[BrettG]

Wasn't saying you was. Just letting you know that they are harder to care for. Them being so fragile is one of the reasons I haven't getting into keeping frogs.

Frogs are not that bad actually. Once they are set up and humidity is regulated,they are a cakewalk( turns and runs like hell from this thread)

 

[xhexdx]

Something I just had to point out...

Quoted from this thread:

I used to point out that I had snakes a long time before I had spids.....and birds of prey a long time before I had snakes......they still advised a chile rose

How can you be a beginner with experience of other exotics.Beginner normally means someone with no experience of any exotic.
When you first kept snakes,you had to read up on them,get the humidity and temps right,learn about shedding,feeding,certain diseases such as RI ,scale rot etc. that snakes can suffer from.......you then use the way you got that knowledge to get it right for spiders.
Different care but you know how to do it.
See what I mean ?
I was in the same situation when I started with T's.........snakes a long time before them

Quoted from another thread:

I know pine is a big no no for snakes.....although a lot of vivs you buy are made out of the stuff (dried pine with no sap) :? but I had no idea it was the same for T's.

Excellent. In an instance where your snake background may have actually come in handy...it didn't.

 

[Big B]

I agree.
I used to point out that I had snakes a long time before I had spids.....and birds of prey a long time before I had snakes......they still advised a chile rose

Wow birds of prey, that is unique. What kind of birds? Common names please.

 

[Arachnobrian]

The way I see it, all T's can be unpredictable (especially some of those that he/she mentioned), and a problem could arise within one day of having them. Some credit is due for said user not yet having a problem, even if it isn't much.

Is there a timeline for credibility with more volatile species? Not as much as some might think.

Raising from a sling would be the best place to start. As it grows the owner has the opportunity to learn more about it's personality. Rehousing a few times gives you a better idea of speed and character, and tools required to avoid mishaps.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Raising from a sling would be the good place to start. As it grows the owner has the opportunity to learn more about it's personality. Rehousing a few times gives you better idea of speed and character, and tools required to avoid mishaps.

+1

I agree completely.

 

[Galapoheros]

Man this thread grew fast, didn't read most of the posts, so many. My opinion is that most people call "advanced" T's the ones that you have to be more careful not get bitten by. I see it in the other sections too. You do have to be more responsible, but most of the time the animal is not much more difficult to take care of, if you have it set up right. I think it has to do with proving responsibility, I guess you could call that "advanced". It's kind of like calling "hot" snakes, snakes for advanced keepers. But some rattlesnakes are just as easy to keep(house and feed) as a rat snake, you just don't want to get bitten by the rattlesnake. For example, I've got dozens of Parabuthus trasvaalicus scorpions but I don't feel like I "moved up" to keeping those, I just know to be careful. One of my fav scorps to keep is still Pandinus imperator, taken for granted imo because they are so available. As far as T's go, I keep mostly US native Ts.

 

[paul fleming]

Wow birds of prey, that is unique. What kind of birds? Common names please.

kestrels,sparrow hawks and little owls......and later on,one buzzard.
When I was growing up,that's the sort of thing kids did.

 

[MIC]

I want to add that personally, I think a really good reason not to start out too advanced is that it seems like it would take a lot of the thrill out of the hobby. I mean, if you start with Pokies what do you have to look forward to next,unless you are only going to have a few (riiiiight!!. I'm not saying everyone should start out with Rosies, but there is something to be valued in learning the basics of something then stepping it up later on.

I totally agree with this. Personally i started with Brachys, then passed to C.cyaneopubescens and N.Chromatus and my last purchase was a Singapore sp. Blue. Now I look forward to something more active like a Pokie or similar.

If you have an excellent wine to drink is better to enjoy it sup by sup instead of swig it all at once.

 

[Avicularia Man]

I totally agree with this. Personally i started with Brachys, then passed to C.cyaneopubescens and N.Chromatus and my last purchase was a Singapore sp. Blue. Now I look forward to something more active like a Pokie or similar.

If you have an excellent wine to drink is better to enjoy it sup by sup instead of swig it all at once.

Did you mean sip by sip? Either way, if I am drinking wine, then that means somehow I am being forced to drink that crap. So I am going to swig it to get it over with.

 

[MIC]

Did you mean sip by sip? Either way, if I am drinking wine, then that means somehow I am being forced to drink that crap. So I am going to swig it to get it over with.

Yeap, I mean sip by sip and for me, because I am Mediterranean, wine is a good thing like my hobby after all. You can substitute the wine with something you want to enjoy slowly, unless in all circumstances you are a 'quick fire' man.

 

[Avicularia Man]

Yeap, I mean sip by sip and for me, because I am Mediterranean, wine is a good thing like my hobby after all. You can substitute the wine with something you want to enjoy slowly, unless in all circumstances you are a 'quick fire' man.

lol no no, I am not. I like to sip some things. Just having a problem thinking of an example right now. Every wine I have ever tasted, taste like vinegar to me.