getting too advanced spids

[GartenSpinnen]

I think people, myself included, tend to be opinionated about levels of advancement in species due to our own insecurities relating to said species...

Having said that, I feel like there is a lot of shock value in invertebrates and for some people that is the thrill of keeping them. Fortunately the people that keep them solely for the shock value often either find that they are really interested in keeping invertebrates and continue on keeping them for the love of the hobby; or they end up getting bored and move on to compare the size of their testicles elsewhere. Usually it seems to be the later...

 

[Schyler]

My first T was an OBT, then a Rose Hair. Tomorrow I'm picking up a T. Blondi, an A. Aviculara, an L. Parahybana, and another Emperor Scorp.

I kept snakes and lizards before had, but I started with a more 'advanced' species of both as well. Everything is going fine so far;gathering info as I go. (I of course did research before hand, but theres always something new to learn)

It just depends on how confident the keeper is and how well he can react to the situations I suppose.

 

[paul fleming]

I say,give people the information from our own experience and let the "beginners" make their own minds up.
Never try to put pressure on them to get this one or that one.
They are the ones who have to put all the work in after all.

 

[Avicularia Man]

I have to ask. What is an "advanced T"? To me it has nothing to do with it's size, how likely it is to bite, how strong it's venom is, or how fast it moves. What means advanced to me is that it has special needs in the way it is cared for. Like needing special humidity and temps that MUST be met or it will die.

 

[redrumpslump]

I have to ask. What is an "advanced T"? To me it has nothing to do with it's size, how likely it is to bite, how strong it's venom is, or how fast it moves. What means advanced to me is that it has special needs in the way it is cared for. Like needing special humidity and temps that MUST be met or it will die.

i agree with you avic man

 

[paul fleming]

I would say an advanced T....although I have to admit,I could have phrased it better......is not a beginner T.
eg. pokies,certain baboons (S.calceatum,H.mac etc.),haplo's and anything with "earth tiger" in it's name....lol.
There are probably others....it's late and I am tired.
I think you all know what I was getting at BTW

 

[Avicularia Man]

See that's something else that throws me off. Am I a beginner or not? Sure I just got my first T's a month ago, but I have been into snakes from age 11 and I am 35 now. I even owned a Northern Copperhead. I mean really, at this point the care the T's I have now is so 2 decades ago for me as care and skill needed. I mean they sit in their containers and I mist them once a week (avics every other day) and offer them food once a week. I keep the temp around 80F. I know some would call me a newb, but I really feel like a lion tamer caring for a small kitten. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way upset with what I bought. After all, I didn't ask a soul what they thought I should get. I simply researched Tarantulas and after some time, I realized what I wanted. based on what I read were good starters. In fact, I wanted my A. Versicolor long before I knew it was a good starter T.

 

[paul fleming]

See that's something else that throws me off. Am I a beginner or not? Sure I just got my first T's a month ago, but I have been into snakes from age 11 and I am 35 now. I even owned a Northern Copperhead. I mean really, at this point the care the T's I have now is so 2 decades ago for me as care and skill needed. I mean they sit in their containers and I mist them once a week (avics every other day) and offer them food once a week. I keep the temp around 80F. I know some would call me a newb, but I really feel like a lion tamer caring for a small kitten. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way upset with what I bought. After all, I didn't ask a soul what they thought I should get. I simply researched Tarantulas and after some time, I realized what I wanted. based on what I read were good starters.

you have answered your own question.
How can you be a beginner with experience of other exotics.
Beginner normally means someone with no experience of any exotic.
When you first kept snakes,you had to read up on them,get the humidity and temps right,learn about shedding,feeding,certain diseases such as RI ,scale rot etc. that snakes can suffer from.......you then use the way you got that knowledge to get it right for spiders.
Different care but you know how to do it.
See what I mean ?
I was in the same situation when I started with T's.........snakes a long time before them

 

[Avicularia Man]

you have answered your own question.
How can you be a beginner with experience of other exotics.
Beginner normally means someone with no experience of any exotic.
When you first kept snakes,you had to read up on them,get the humidity and temps right,learn about shedding,feeding,certain diseases such as RI ,scale rot etc. that snakes can suffer from.......
See what I mean ?

Yep, even cared for a few diseases like mouth rot. I actually got good at that part. I caught a LOT of wild snakes as a kid that I would keep for months on end. Even breed them and raised some young. Ok I am done, too much talking about snakes for me when I have none. I am drooling over the ones I plan on getting in the future once I have moved. I can't wait to go catch a few next summer. Taking my two daughters out this year when I go.

 

[paul fleming]

Yep, even cared for a few diseases like mouth rot. I actually got good at that part. I caught a LOT of wild snakes as a kid that I would keep for months on end. Even breed them and raised some young. Ok I am done, too much talking about snakes for me when I have none. I am drooling over the ones I plan on getting in the future once I have moved. I can't wait to go catch a few next summer. Taking my two daughters out this year when I go.

Be nice to see pics.....snakes are my first love in exotics.

 

[Avicularia Man]

Be nice to see pics.....snakes are my first love in exotics.

Yeah, same here. Snakes first, everything else second. Sure, I will do pics this season while out. I have three I want to catch for sure. Lampropeltis triangulum triangulum, Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta, and Diadophis punctatus edwardsii. Do you snake hunt?

 

[paul fleming]

Can't wait

 

[ZergFront]

I certainly didn't go from zero-to-intermediate (I hardly count as babysitting a rosie that hardly moved years ago as good enough experience) because I wanted to be some big shot. If anything when you own spiders in my city they see you as "the weird bug person."

Sue me, I LOVE Psalmos!

 

[xhexdx]

You guys are hilarious.

So because I've been in the tarantula hobby for 10 years, I'm not a beginner when it comes to reptiles?

Great logic...

 

[redrumpslump]

You would know more bout molts, feeding, humidity, and ext. then a beginner would. Im sure your just gonna have some stupid reply its what you do. Personally i dont care what you have to say youve proved to be a class A jerk on plenty other threads ive read.

 

[xhexdx]

Then perhaps you are not reading my responses in the context they were typed in.

As always, thanks for your opinion.

 

[Obelisk]

I think people, myself included, tend to be opinionated about levels of advancement in species due to our own insecurities relating to said species...

Having said that, I feel like there is a lot of shock value in invertebrates and for some people that is the thrill of keeping them. Fortunately the people that keep them solely for the shock value often either find that they are really interested in keeping invertebrates and continue on keeping them for the love of the hobby; or they end up getting bored and move on to compare the size of their testicles elsewhere. Usually it seems to be the later...

This is true. There will always be some retard individuals who think they're proving something when they tell everyone about their aggressive/venomous/large pet. I've seen it in reptile forums, fish forums, etc.

Some of us do in fact like the thrill of such an animal, but there are others who, for whatever reason, think it makes them look "tough."

 

[codykrr]

ok my 2 cents.

people dont recomend "advanced Ts" to begginers for a few reasons.

1. if we have a 14 yr. old who decides to buy a pokie, baboon, or anything speedy with more potent venom. and he gets bit and dies due to an allergy then wham, thats just one more reason for congress to try and ban our hobby.

2. if a person who had never seen a pokie or S. cal in action gets one(with or without research) how do you think they would react to a pokie teleporting up his arm, around his head and then on the cealing?

those are just 2 reasons why we recomend a "starter T" something with a calmer demeaner. may be boring but we all started there.

also just because you keep reptiles,fish, birds ,frogs or any other exotic doed not qualify you as an "intermediate keeper" automatically.

ive kept snakes, but i knew nothing about Ts when i first got them. ive kept birds, but i knew nothing about fish before i got them. there "branches" of the exotic animal world. but their far in between from being the same. i keep tarantulas, scorpions and snakes..but i know nothing about dart frogs. so should i go buy a rare or advanced frog and try? no. id need to work my way up there.

just because a mechanic knows how to work on a car does not mean he can drive it. and just because we can drive doesnt make us race car drivers.

there is experience that is essential in knowing how or what to do in certain situations. plain and simple.

it only takes a few inexperienced keepers to ruin it for the rest. a few bites, possible deaths and were probly done.

just my 2 cents.

 

[redrumpslump]

ok my 2 cents.

people dont recomend "advanced Ts" to begginers for a few reasons.

1. if we have a 14 yr. old who decides to buy a pokie, baboon, or anything speedy with more potent venom. and he gets bit and dies due to an allergy then wham, thats just one more reason for congress to try and ban our hobby.

2. if a person who had never seen a pokie or S. cal in action gets one(with or without research) how do you think they would react to a pokie teleporting up his arm, around his head and then on the cealing?

those are just 2 reasons why we recomend a "starter T" something with a calmer demeaner. may be boring but we all started there.

also just because you keep reptiles,fish, birds ,frogs or any other exotic doed not qualify you as an "intermediate keeper" automatically.

ive kept snakes, but i knew nothing about Ts when i first got them. ive kept birds, but i knew nothing about fish before i got them. there "branches" of the exotic animal world. but their far in between from being the same. i keep tarantulas, scorpions and snakes..but i know nothing about dart frogs. so should i go buy a rare or advanced frog and try? no. id need to work my way up there.

just because a mechanic knows how to work on a car does not mean he can drive it. and just because we can drive doesnt make us race car drivers.

there is experience that is essential in knowing how or what to do in certain situations. plain and simple.

it only takes a few inexperienced keepers to ruin it for the rest. a few bites, possible deaths and were probly done.

just my 2 cents.

I guess you didnt read the part were it was said you should do your research first. It was never said that just cause anybody owned reptiles that the were intermediate keepers. It was said that it gave you better start than a beginner. And second a 14 year old could only by a tarantula with there parents knowing so the parents should do there own research into it. Well atleast any good parent would. The whole reptile thing is talking more bout understanding humidity and how to handle certain situations with molts and feeding. The first t i bought was a obt and chilobrachypelma fiambrotus. Both are doing very well. OBT is fast and mean as all get out. When the chilo is out its always pissed. I just dont think you get what was trying to be said bout tarantulas and snakes going hand in hand. Dont get me wrong your opinion is more than welcome but im sick of hearing that a first time owner needs to get a rosea.

 

[Avicularia Man]

ok my 2 cents.

people dont recomend "advanced Ts" to begginers for a few reasons.

1. if we have a 14 yr. old who decides to buy a pokie, baboon, or anything speedy with more potent venom. and he gets bit and dies due to an allergy then wham, thats just one more reason for congress to try and ban our hobby.

2. if a person who had never seen a pokie or S. cal in action gets one(with or without research) how do you think they would react to a pokie teleporting up his arm, around his head and then on the cealing?

those are just 2 reasons why we recomend a "starter T" something with a calmer demeaner. may be boring but we all started there.

also just because you keep reptiles,fish, birds ,frogs or any other exotic doed not qualify you as an "intermediate keeper" automatically.

ive kept snakes, but i knew nothing about Ts when i first got them. ive kept birds, but i knew nothing about fish before i got them. there "branches" of the exotic animal world. but their far in between from being the same. i keep tarantulas, scorpions and snakes..but i know nothing about dart frogs. so should i go buy a rare or advanced frog and try? no. id need to work my way up there.

just because a mechanic knows how to work on a car does not mean he can drive it. and just because we can drive doesnt make us race car drivers.

there is experience that is essential in knowing how or what to do in certain situations. plain and simple.

it only takes a few inexperienced keepers to ruin it for the rest. a few bites, possible deaths and were probly done.

just my 2 cents.

For the record, frogs aren't as easy to care for as Tarantulas or reptiles. Funny you should mention frogs, I found these forums a few weeks ago, which has me a bit interested in frogs. They have some really awesome cage setup pics on those forums. Live plants and all.

I spent about 5 months I guess researching before I got my first T's. So far, I would say they are easier to care for than snakes, but can be hurt easier than snakes. About the only real problem I could imagine me as a beginner having with my T's is if they got sick. They have a completely different set of sicknesses from reptiles.