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Just say No!
Just say no to brown-boxing!
Just say no to brown-boxing!
Seller bought spider and needed money for something more important so was willing to sell lowBrown-boxing "red flags"
•*A seller posts an ad on for a rare species that has sold for a high price by a majority of other sellers a price with a price 50% less or more than their competitors. A "too good to be true" price.
• Seller does not have an import permit (or technically did not have a permit until recently
• Seller does not buy from other known suppliers with import permits
•*Seller's price list consistently undercuts their competition and sells stock so low, you have to question how did they get the stock and put up such a low price.
•*Seller's customers tend to be "newbies", very young, who go for price first purchases and never think about these red flags.
Now, anybody in the know, do some research and triangulate and figure in a process of elimination and you know who these brown-boxing sellers are, don't you? Brown-boxing hurts the hobby - period. Don't buy from sellers engaged in this practice. It hurts breeders, investors, legal importers and brings gov. attention to our hobby. Regulate ourselves. Don't buy from brown-boxing sellers.
Paul Becker said:Official Response
People have a right to know.
I know what's happening here, so I feel it necessary to enlighten you.. The people(some dealers etc.)that are price gouging the customers for hard to find spiders are the ones inciting the vicious attacks on me. They spread lies and say that my animals are illegally imported .They do this to justify their own higher prices..It's those people that have formed a little price gouging network when i was gone from 2004-2008 that are attacking me now and inciting others to also attack. Statements have been made by individuals based on hearsay that simply is not true.
ALL my spiders are legal and I have held a valid FWS import permit since I came back.. as well as prior ,also I am bonded by U.S.Customs and Border Protection for importation purposes... I have a big file of importation documents to prove this.
I charge a reasonable price for my spiders and all have been imported legally.. I am actually fair to my customers... so consequently my sales went up and theirs went down..
I do not charge 6-8 or 10 times the wholesale amount like other dealers that joined in the damaging of my name and business and compromising my safety ..I have written over 100 “caretips” to help people in this hobby and I am available for questions by phone and e-mail all day long.
I feel I represent this hobby in a professional manner with every customer new or old. Professional representation of this hobby has completely gone to the wayside with regards to this thread. The biggest dealers hold the most responsibility to represent this hobby as professionally as possible.I feel that if I had responded in the middle of that thread then I would be attacked by people who have been wrongly influenced, therefore becoming a martyr. I will not reduce myself to unprofessional conduct in the same way as so many others have. Ask yourself…Was the Tarantula keeping hobby represented in a professional manner with regards to that thread..? With all the stuff that was taken out of context and bashing that was going on, do you think anyone with any professionalism would make themselves to a witch hunt like that…? I feel I would not have represented our industry positively,but contributed to it’s destruction ,had I responded.
So, for all the individuals out there that have the attitude of guilty until proven innocent..I challenge you to keep an open mind. I have attached a copy of the importation/cargo document and the wholesale prices to prove my statements are correct. I have edited the contact information because I will not reveal my sources, but you can see the prices that I have paid for these spiders. This way you can calculate my mark up and compare that markup with other dealers.
For the remaining unbelievers out there, Please do not send me any more nasty e-mails threatening me because I am documenting everything..
Thanks for reading,
Paul Becker
www.petcenterusa.net