fear factor cruelty

[maxwellxxv]

I seen a ff episode and was appalled at what U saw. They put a whole bunch of Ts in the same tank on someone head. they even showed one being killed as also a mating. Hey people.. am I wrong for saying that isd animal cruelity? I am really jerked over this. should we , as a gathering , say something?

 

[Nerri1029]

UNfortunately people are easily riled when it comes to the Furry and friendly critters..

However insects and arachnids DO NOT elicite the same response..

In fact the estes rocket code says NOT to launch mice etc as passengers.. but INSECTS are OK..

GO FIGURE..

 

[WayneT]

It's fixing to air in my time zone as I write this...I am debating whether or not I feel like getting my blood pressure up tonite....

And to answer your question, yes, to me it's animal cruelty, exploitation, etc.

 

[edesign]

i saw one where they were doing partners competitions and they made the female lie down in a clear (plexiglass?) chamber with goggles...think they strapped the legs and arms down, could be wrong...and poured in a bunch of tarantulas and some other bugs. Their partner had to use their mouth to take out all of this nasty stuff in a "U" shaped tube above the tank as fast as possible. Fastest couple wins...

well...one of the women did NOT want to get in that chamber at all. They tried talking her in to it calmly but she really didn't want to...on the verge of crying even. Finally they get her to get in but I can't believe they'd try to talk someone in to that considering how obviously scared she was and were going to put a bunch of poisonous spiders in with her. not toxic, at least not individually but we're talking 30+ spiders here. Needless to say she didn't last long...by the time they got her out she was sobbing and on the verge of freaking out.

Unfortunately i'm sure the producers make all contestants sign a waiver alleviating themselves from any injury's that may occur, physical and/or mental. That's the only episode i've seen where i was actually appalled at what happened...i've seen about 10 of them and that was the only time it seemed cruel to me as they were trying to force her to do something against her will, even her boyfriend was trying to get her to do it

 

[shogun804]

im getting ready to watch it now its just starting were i am i hope i dont see what you described earleir thats just wrong...

 

[earthgirl]

they are very wrong

I seen a ff episode and was appalled at what U saw. They put a whole bunch of Ts in the same tank on someone head. they even showed one being killed as also a mating. Hey people.. am I wrong for saying that isd animal cruelity? I am really jerked over this. should we , as a gathering , say something?

You are not wrong - it is certainly cruel.
Most people are in the dark ages when it comes to knowledge of tarantulas.
:wall:

 

[MilkmanWes]

Mostly there were house spiders or avics in there. Glad to see there wasn't anything that would flick hairs, getting a mouthfull would suck.

 

[flamingo-kid1]

Kill it at the SOURCE

So who is the IDIOT that sold them the tarantulas??? That's who shoudl be in trouble.

It is certainly WRONG to do this sort of thing to ANY living creature, but as long as the public will pay...

never underestimate the power of STOOPID people!

 

[Greaper]

Honestly, I think of if it would be possible to file a lawsuit. These are innocent creatures that they violate and abuse on that show. I have seen it with spiders, whipless tail scorps, scorpions, etc. Entertainment is one thing, hurting animals for pleasure of an audiance at home is another. God i would love to have 5 minutes with the people who make all the animal stunt decisions so I can give them a peice of my mind.

 

[Ice Cold Milk]

I saw that FF episode where they had the couples, and the women got in a tank w/ the tarantulas--- from what i saw it looked more like 100 or so T's in the tank, all were G. Rosea's....one girl, upon finishing the stunt, complained that she was itching really badly---
I thought it was a really messed up thing when i saw how they kept all the T's in a huge bucket all together...Have no idea what they would have done with them all after the stunt was over.

 

[sanguinarian]

The other day I saw a commercial for Battle for Ozzfest and you hear someone say the contestants have to bite the head off a live bat. They showed a fruit bat and then someone with a mouth dripping blood.

 

[Professor T]

I won't watch shows like that for said reason. Our society has rules to protect vertebrates from cruelty, however invertebrates are only protected if endangered or threatened.

You can pour salt on a slug, or step on a tarantula and its not punishable. I'm trying to teach the young people that I come into contact with to respect life. Fear factor respects nothing, especially your intelligence.

 

[edesign]

I saw that FF episode where they had the couples, and the women got in a tank w/ the tarantulas--- from what i saw it looked more like 100 or so T's in the tank, all were G. Rosea's....one girl, upon finishing the stunt, complained that she was itching really badly---
I thought it was a really messed up thing when i saw how they kept all the T's in a huge bucket all together...Have no idea what they would have done with them all after the stunt was over.

i saw it a long time ago and didn't want to overestimate the number...i too wonder what happened to them after the show. Scorched the hairs off and coated them in chocolate?

 

[Code Monkey]

Cruelty is a loaded term that is being bandied around alot in this thread without any basis but your anthropomorphic attribution of characters not possessed by tarantulas to them.

Is Fear Factor a show for utter morons? Yes.
Is Fear Factor a show for utter morons as contestants? Yes.
Why did NBC try to out-Fox Fox? The world may never know.
Is it a huge waste of money and animals from our niche point of view? Yes.
However, is what Fear Factor does with inverts *cruel*? Absolutely not.

Anyone who attributes emotional capacity to the majority of invertebrates (some cephalopods are genuinely intelligent) isn't any brighter than a Fear Factor contestant. Without emotional capacity to suffer needlessly you just can't have cruelty. There are reasons why there aren't animal cruelty laws governing inverts and it isn't just because of the ignorant bias of the the majority of humans.

 

[PapaRoacher]

Are you sasying we shouldn't feel sorry for little T's being crushed by rolling contestants in a tub?

I personally think it's a waste of life...

 

[Mister Internet]

Are you sasying we shouldn't feel sorry for little T's being crushed by rolling contestants in a tub?

I personally think it's a waste of life...

You're certainly free to feel sorry for them, but Code is saying that you can't make a case for CRUELTY. Invertebrates as a rule, and certainly tarantulas without exception, don't "suffer" or feel pain like higher mammals or companion animals. If you're not able to inflict pain and suffering on an animal, it's quite hard to be cruel to it.

When you cut off a Tarantulas leg, about the only thing that registers in their teeny-tiny nerve center is "Oh, there's not a leg there anymore." Inverts are so fragile that it simply doesn't behoove them to have very developed nervous systems, as they would live their lives in a state of almost constant pain due to the damage they must take on a frequent basis.

We've had this discussion a few times before, and it always ends up being a giant pissing match between the "cutesy-wootsey, fuzzy-wuzzy, widdle precious T" type keepers and the adroitly realistic keepers who enjoy them for what they are: fascinating, but largely unintelligent and completely incapable of emotion.

 

[Washout]

Well the only reason it's possible is because of how cheap wild caught adult G. rosea are. A. avics are almost as cheap too though. So I guess people buying them to eat or whatever will never really be stopped. Not until there are only CB T's from hobbiests that won't sell to people like this.

 

[PapaRoacher]

I can feel sorry for it as a shame that the Tarantula has lost a leg or whatnot...

But, I'm hardly going to go on strike outside NBC for showing Ts being crushed... I just think it's a shame to use them like that, like, capable of Emotion or not, I think it's pretty sad that a bunch of Ts have to lose their lives because some prick wants $50,000...

 

[Nerri1029]

Cruelty is a loaded term that is being bandied around alot in this thread without any basis but your anthropomorphic attribution of characters not possessed by tarantulas to them.

Is Fear Factor a show for utter morons? Yes.
Is Fear Factor a show for utter morons as contestants? Yes.
Why did NBC try to out-Fox Fox? The world may never know.
Is it a huge waste of money and animals from our niche point of view? Yes.
However, is what Fear Factor does with inverts *cruel*? Absolutely not.

Anyone who attributes emotional capacity to the majority of invertebrates (some cephalopods are genuinely intelligent) isn't any brighter than a Fear Factor contestant. Without emotional capacity to suffer needlessly you just can't have cruelty. There are reasons why there aren't animal cruelty laws governing inverts and it isn't just because of the ignorant bias of the the majority of humans.

I won't argue the LOGIC behind what you are saying..
Do inverts have the capacity to 'feel' pain? fear? distress? the same as verts, probably not.. there's alot of evidence to support that.

Be careful those of you who are letting emotions get in the way here, don't be hypocritical..
How many of you keep crickets and allow many to die, be cannibalized?

My earlier post was just to point out a contrast

Now for Fear factor... should we ( as a race ) be condoning such behavior i.e. the disregard for life.?

Well my beliefs are probably NOT popular..
If for a purpose YES.

Should Avon put their products in the eyes of rabbits? NO
Should Bristol Myeres inject rats with substances to test toxic doses.. YES
Should you be able to put a worm on a fishing hook? a cricket? a slug? .. YES
Should you be able to shoot a dog that enters your property and threatens you and your family.. YES YES YES..
Should we feed crickets to our T's?? YES..
Should we be able to get rid of a rodent from our house.. YES.

ARE ALL creatures of equal status and equal rights? NO.
DOES ALL life deserve some respect YES..

FIND your own position on the continuum..

 

[T-Bite]

You're certainly free to feel sorry for them, but Code is saying that you can't make a case for CRUELTY. Invertebrates as a rule, and certainly tarantulas without exception, don't "suffer" or feel pain like higher mammals or companion animals. If you're not able to inflict pain and suffering on an animal, it's quite hard to be cruel to it.

When you cut off a Tarantulas leg, about the only thing that registers in their teeny-tiny nerve center is "Oh, there's not a leg there anymore." Inverts are so fragile that it simply doesn't behoove them to have very developed nervous systems, as they would live their lives in a state of almost constant pain due to the damage they must take on a frequent basis.

We've had this discussion a few times before, and it always ends up being a giant pissing match between the "cutesy-wootsey, fuzzy-wuzzy, widdle precious T" type keepers and the adroitly realistic keepers who enjoy them for what they are: fascinating, but largely unintelligent and completely incapable of emotion.

So essentially what you're saying is that I could stab my Ts with needles and it wouldn't ne considered torture since they cant feel pain? This is so cool. I always wanted to see who would win between my Goliath and my Salmon Pink but I thought it would be cruel. Thanks Mr. Internet!

And I was going to make a video of my Usambara fighting with my Emperor scorpion if anyone is interested, since I now feel better about putting them in together.