Favorite Fossorial?

[Venom1080]

dont they? I am pretty sure they do.

Ive seen another arboreal ornithoctoninae in the wild on YouTube. Phormingochilus carpenteri. Burrows in captivity, lives in tree cracks in the wild. Different genus, but still. 99% sure these do the same. They're not built for the ground.

 

[cold blood]

Ive seen another arboreal ornithoctoninae in the wild on YouTube. Phormingochilus carpenteri. Burrows in captivity, lives in tree cracks in the wild. Different genus, but still. 99% sure these do the same. They're not built for the ground.

Aside from avics and their relatives, literally all other arboreals burrow to some degree...many quite extensively....many asian ones in particular

 

[Nightstalker47]

Hysterocrates spp.

Ive seen another arboreal ornithoctoninae in the wild on YouTube. Phormingochilus carpenteri. Burrows in captivity, lives in tree cracks in the wild. Different genus, but still. 99% sure these do the same. They're not built for the ground.

Im sure they burrow in the wild as well, especially smaller specimens.

 

[weibkreux]

Pelinobius muticus. Only seen my sling out for a few seconds once.

 

[Venom1080]

Aside from avics and their relatives, literally all other arboreals burrow to some degree...many quite extensively....many asian ones in particular

And I take it you've observed all these species in the wild? Come on, assumptions are stupid. And stating them as fact is stupider.

 

[cold blood]

And I take it you've observed all these species in the wild? Come on, assumptions are stupid. And stating them as fact is stupider.

I don't need to observe them, its known they burrow...they also live in trees, but a big part of their lies is often at or under ground level.

Thanks for calling me stupid

 

[Venom1080]

I don't need to observe them, its known they burrow...they also live in trees, but a big part of their lies is often at or under ground level.

Thanks for calling me stupid

It's known they burrow... In captivity. You are aware of the difference I assume. All footage I've seen in the wild show tree hollows and cracks. Not burrows like Haplopelma and Ornithoctonus.

 

[cold blood]

Omothymus schioedtei (Thorell, 1891), also known as “Malaysian Earth Tiger”, is a very beautiful bird spider due to its size, behavior and coloration from Malaysia. The “tiger” in her name refers to the remarkable and intermittent pattern on her abdomen, which is different than, for example, Cyriopagopus sp. Sumatran tiger. The legs are very robust and the carapace can grow up to 3cm. The male is olive green with faint yellow leg striation, possessing long slender legs and a blunt tibial apophysis once mature. The subfamily of the Ornithoctoninae (known as “earth tigers”, due to the patterns on their abdomen) mostly consists burrowing bird spiders living deep underground, except for spiders of the Cyriopagopus– and Phormingochilus-genus. The spiders are very timid and occasionally visible at night. Similar to the burrowing bird spiders from the Ornithoctoninae-subfamily Cyriopagopus spp. often creates a tunnel system underground.

This is from www.THERAPHOSIDAE.BE

It's known they burrow... In captivity. You are aware of the difference I assume. All footage I've seen in the wild show tree hollows and cracks. Not burrows like Haplopelma and Ornithoctonus.

I don't disagree with this, but my point within the early part of this thread was directed at captivity, which was exactly why I gave the disclaimer that I did in my first post.

 

[Venom1080]

Omothymus schioedtei (Thorell, 1891), also known as “Malaysian Earth Tiger”, is a very beautiful bird spider due to its size, behavior and coloration from Malaysia. The “tiger” in her name refers to the remarkable and intermittent pattern on her abdomen, which is different than, for example, Cyriopagopus sp. Sumatran tiger. The legs are very robust and the carapace can grow up to 3cm. The male is olive green with faint yellow leg striation, possessing long slender legs and a blunt tibial apophysis once mature. The subfamily of the Ornithoctoninae (known as “earth tigers”, due to the patterns on their abdomen) mostly consists burrowing bird spiders living deep underground, except for spiders of the Cyriopagopus– and Phormingochilus-genus. The spiders are very timid and occasionally visible at night. Similar to the burrowing bird spiders from the Ornithoctoninae-subfamily Cyriopagopus spp. often creates a tunnel system underground.

This is from www.THERAPHOSIDAE.BE


I don't disagree with this, but my point within the early part of this thread was directed at captivity, which was exactly why I gave the disclaimer that I did in my first post.

Except for spiders of Cyriopagopus and Phormingochilus..... Guess where schioedtei falls?

 

[Rittdk01]

^^^ Must be tiring always being right

 

[CrazyDane]

cyriopagopus lividus but it all ready order only waiting for get warm enough to send

 

[cold blood]

Except for spiders of Cyriopagopus and Phormingochilus..... Guess where schioedtei falls?

The quote was to show whole families of asians are known to burrow.

Beneath the quote of yours is where i was responding to you. You guys seem to have missed where i said in my original post that THEY ARE CLASSIFIED ARBOREAL....dont gloss over that to create an argument where there shouldnt be one. I stated right off the bat what they were specifically to avoid this argument.

 

[Venom1080]

The quote was to show whole families of asians are known to burrow.

Beneath the quote of yours is where i was responding to you. You guys seem to have missed where i said in my original post that THEY ARE CLASSIFIED ARBOREAL....dont gloss over that to create an argument where there shouldnt be one. I stated right off the bat what they were specifically to avoid this argument.

I mean.. how many claims can you make as fact in one thread with no evidence? It's starting to amaze me. It literally says most. And specifically excludes Cyriopagopus schioedtei.

They burrow in captivity. And I haven't seen or heard of them doing the same in the wild. And neither have you apparently.

@Rittdk01 I'm just happy you're here to balance it out.

 

[dangerforceidle]

I mean.. how many claims can you make as fact in one thread with no evidence? It's starting to amaze me. It literally says most. And specifically excludes Cyriopagopus schioedtei.

Is this species not in Omothymus?

 

[Greasylake]

Is this species not in Omothymus?

Correct. A quick look at the world spider catalog shows it was moved out of Cyriopagopus in 2015.

 

[cold blood]

Its known they burrow...they also live in trees, but a big part of their lies is often at or under ground level.

I mean.. how many claims can you make as fact in one thread with no evidence? It's starting to amaze me. It literally says most. And specifically excludes Cyriopagopus schioedtei.

They burrow in captivity. And I haven't seen or heard of them doing the same in the wild. And neither have you apparently.

Read the quote, i didnt say all of them always burrow all the time every time.

I acknowledged that theyre arboreal, but also that parts of their lives are at ground level, as its mainly adult females found living in trees. Slings-juvies....at points in their life they often burrow...again, often, not always. I made no absolute statements whatsoever.

And you missed [again] that the quote wasnt to show or prove ANYTHING about schioedtei, but rather to show that a lot of asian arboreals are known burrowers....my next statement, the one beneath your quote, was directed toward schioedtei.

They burrow in captivity, yes, what do you think we are talking about here, we are talking about our captive ts....which was again, my original point with the disclaimer in my first post.

 

[lostbrane]

I tried to find some form of verifiable information regarding O. schioedtei in the wild, however the only thing I found was one sentence on some website stating females are found exclusively in trees whilst juveniles hide in cracks/crevices.

This thread might be of interest: http://arachnoboards.com/threads/cy...oreal-or-burrowing.126147/page-2#post-1498098

I think the notion stated later on in that thread, that due to the amount of crabs at ground floor would lead to O. schioedtei sticking higher up in the wild is sensible, HOWEVER this might be somewhat of a similar situation to C. cyaneopubescens in the wild vs. in captivity.

I am not ready to discount the notion that if given the chance, they wouldn't burrow in the wild. Yet, it could just be behavior in captivity.

At which point, I feel comes a distinction. Sure, I would not classify an O. schioedtei as a fossorial, but since they do tend to burrow a lot in captivity, I feel it is a worthy mention. Also, I'm biased because that's one of my favorite tarantulas.

 

[sasker]

It's known they burrow... In captivity.

Perhaps the title of this thread should have been "Favorite Fossorial? (but only those that burrow both in the wild and in captivity - all other specimen that might not burrow in the wild will be excluded. Proof needs to be provided, preferably in the form of a scientific paper".

I am pretty sure the OP asked for everyone's favourite fossorial (aka pet hole), perhaps as a means to compile a wish list for species to keep. How exactly they behave in the wild and if they are deserving of the 'scientific' title of fossorial would therefore be irrelevant. I doubt OP was hoping for a nitpicking contest. But of course, I am making assumptions

 

[Venom1080]

Read the quote, i didnt say all of them always burrow all the time every time.

I acknowledged that theyre arboreal, but also that parts of their lives are at ground level, as its mainly adult females found living in trees. Slings-juvies....at points in their life they often burrow...again, often, not always. I made no absolute statements whatsoever.

And you missed [again] that the quote wasnt to show or prove ANYTHING about schioedtei, but rather to show that a lot of asian arboreals are known burrowers....my next statement, the one beneath your quote, was directed toward schioedtei.

They burrow in captivity, yes, what do you think we are talking about here, we are talking about our captive ts....which was again, my original point with the disclaimer in my first post.

Waste really disagreeing. Hence no ratings. I was trying to find if it actually lived in the ground in the wild. You made poor claims and I disagreed...

@dangerforceidle not Omothymus when cold blood quoted that site.

 

[dangerforceidle]

Omothymus schioedtei (Thorell, 1891), also known as “Malaysian Earth Tiger”
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This is from www.THERAPHOSIDAE.BE

dangerforceidle not Omothymus when cold blood quoted that site.

I'm not sure what you mean, @Venom1080.

The paragraph quoted is actually kind of contradictory with respect to burrowing behaviours, but it states the spider as O. schioedtei.