Dream Tarantula(s)

[Pmurinushmacla]

why? All my specimens get sold off to breeders at some point, is this not a better outcome than joe schmoe receiving them?

As would i In a scenario where i acquire one, it's not like im smuggling these out of the country myself. Since you're American it's likely that a good portion of your collection is illegal based off of the implications of the lacey act.

Your argument is that by buying a known smuggled species that i'm somehow causing more of them to be smuggled, as if they havent already been smuggled? How many Nhandu tripeppi are currently being smuggled stolen from nature?

This is the classic argument, "Oh theyll be sold to somebody, why dont I just buy them?" Without your demand as well as everyone else's, they wouldnt be getting smuggled. Its a terrible arguement, you are directly supporting smugglers, and then acting as if you are doing the hobby a favor by not allowing "some random" to obtain them. Its a terrible practice, I do not understand why you cannot see this. The blood most certainly is on your hands.

I do not understand what you are stating here, my collection is legally obtained, the new lacey act has not passed, and so far would only ban interstate travel.

That is exactly my argument. You are creating demand. You are causing them to be smuggled. Not you entirely, but you nonetheless.

 

[Edan bandoot]

This is the classic argument, "Oh theyll be sold to somebody, why dont I just buy them?" Without your demand as well as everyone else's, they wouldnt be getting smuggled. Its a terrible arguement, you are directly supporting smugglers, and then acting as if you are doing the hobby a favor by not allowing "some random" to obtain them. Its a terrible practice, I do not understand why you cannot see this. The blood most certainly is on your hands.

I do not understand what you are stating here, my collection is legally obtained, the new lacey act has not passed, and so far would only ban interstate travel.

That is exactly my argument. You are creating demand. You are causing them to be smuggled. Not you entirely, but you nonetheless.

1. reread my post, I edit a lot when i post.

2. You're not realizing that there is a surplus of demand over supply. ANY of the individuals buying do not matter because anyone looking to make a quick buck would be interested in these spiderlings, not even just dedicated breeders and hobbyists. The goal is getting the spiders into the right hands where captive breeding is facilitated, because there is NO way to stop smuggling. When there is a want there is a way.

i'm not sure why you dislike Mexico's captive breeding program.... they're doing great things over there.

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

1. reread my post, I edit a lot when i post.

2. You're not realizing that there is a surplus of demand over supply. ANY of the individuals buying do not matter because anyone looking to make a quick buck would be interested in these spiderlings, not even just dedicated breeders and hobbyists.

1. I read it, it has not improved.

2. I know exactly what you're saying. The individual does matter, YOU are supporting harmful practices, YOU are helping create demand for smuggled speces, and yet you do not understand this. Oh well, I give up, but I will say this: the ends do not always justify the means.

Edit: Never said I didnt like what theyre doing, I never even commented on it.

 

[Edan bandoot]

1. I read it, it has not improved.

2. I know exactly what you're saying. The individual does matter, YOU are supporting harmful practices, YOU are helping create demand for smuggled speces, and yet you do not understand this. Oh well, I give up,

it's like talking to a wall.

the owner of the poecilotheria metallica is taking a stand against captive breeding of smuggled species

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

it's like talking to a wall.

the owner of the poecilotheria metallica is taking a stand against captive breeding of smuggled species

Precisely how I feel right now.

Never took a stand against that <edit>

In the end you must be in denial, but you are supporting the smuggling of species, like it or not.

 

[Edan bandoot]

Precisely how I feel right now.

Never took a stand against that, <edit>

In the end you must be in denial, but you are supporting smuggling of species, like it or not.

insult me and click the red buttons on my post, thats a really good arguement.

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

insult me and click the red buttons on my post, thats a really good arguement.

I made an argument, you posed poor rebuttals and regugitated what you previously stated. People like you are the death of this hobby.

 

[Edan bandoot]

I made an argument, you posed poor rebuttals and regugitated what you previously stated. People like you are the death of this hobby.

tell me your solution to satiating the demand for these spiders, that doesn't involve buying them and captive breeding them.

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

tell me your solution to satiating the demand for these spiders, that doesn't involve buying them and captive breeding them.

Different discussion altoghether, but If you would like to dm me and discuss this there thats fine, but we have hijacked this thread enough for now. (Half our post will probably be gone anyway.)

 

[Theraphosid Research Team]

@Theraphosid Research Team
Hi guys do you know what could be the reason for the difficulty of keeping p. vulpinus

Possibly the extreme climatic conditions of the habitat of this species. The animals may also be unusually susceptible to stress during transport. Who knows. There are many species that are very difficult to breed without precise knowledge of the natural habitat and its climatic conditions. But if you know the local conditions, it's quite easy. See here for example Pamphobeteus sp. "solaris" or Haplopelma schmidti.

 

[Edan bandoot]

according to @Marcostaco who has a chilean contact, we're unsure right now. Premature deaths at all stages of life, but they do fine in shipping.

 

[Jonathan6303]

according to @Marcostaco who has a chilean contact, we're unsure right now. Premature deaths at all stages of life, but they do fine in shipping.

Interesting. I think the biggest mountain to hurdle is establish lung generations do they can become more hardy.

 

[me and my Ts]

I change my mind on dream tarantula, I want a rattlesnake tarantula, unfortunately being from Australia I will likely never own one

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

I change my mind on dream tarantula, I want a rattlesnake tarantula, unfortunately being from Australia I will likely never own one

My dream t too, closes we have is p. Muticus

 

[Jonathan6303]

My dream t too, closes we have is p. Muticus

P sp eunice

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

P sp eunice

Oh wow very cool, forgot about these completely

 

[Tarantulafeets]

Here's my budget C attonitifer until they become available

 

[arthurliuyz]

Here's my budget C attonitifer until they become available
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That horn looks amazing!

 

[Cemykay]

The ones @Arachnid Addicted owns .

 

[DeeCupcake]

If money and I'll throw this one in...time, we're not an object I would get:

Dogs
champion bloodline female Samoyed, female Akita Inu, female long coat German Shepard, (not all at same time due to the Akita)

Reptiles & Snakes
Ball python, Sand Boa, Tegu, (doesn't matter which one, most expensive one though) Monkey Tailed Skink

Tarantulas
Adult female G. pulchra, Adult female Aphonopelma mooreae, sub-adult female Phormingochilus arboricola, adult female P. solaris

This is just off the top of my head recovering from the flu or covid whichever it is because the list is much bigger.

Mine would also be an adult G. pulchra. They're so gorgeous.