Dog breeders in nj?--- Help please.

[pitbulllady]

Hmm okay ill look into it. Thanks. any suggestions for dogs? I keep reading about dogs and all seems to keep pointing mainly at the chihuahua. Keypoints:
1)Loyal---normally bonding to one person. 2)High energy but needs only 30mins of excersice. Though i'd give it an hour or two if necessarry. I wouldn't mind
3)Low prey drive. 4)Small/compact size(easy for travelling as well--though its more of a plus) 5)Intelligence(plus than a necessity)

@Jt: Okay thanks!. Though I hate cats. Well more of like "dislike".

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Jesus man talk about being a prick! Ima cut to the chase, pretty much all that was placed into the post you have just made is offensive. I get what you are saying: no dog is perfect. Which is true-- but there's atleast one dog that is fit for a persons lifestyle and wants. There's over a 100 breeds of dogs. I'm pretty sure there is atleast 2-3 breeds that are good for what I want. A puppy is not a necessity, i'd like one but yeah. I'm okay with atleast a year old dog.

An english bulldog to me is small. I have a weird perception of size. For example a pitbull is large to me. But a bulldog and anything of that sort is small to medium. Of course I need to do alot of research. Which is why I posted the original thread. This is to get a roughage of what is good for my needs and lifestyle.


Basically what I asked is what dog I could have for myself that would be a "buddy" to myself, won't tear up my bunny(itll be inside of its cage but some dogs have a stronger persistence and higher prey drive than others. obviously all dogs are predators. But some are less harmfull than others. ) As well as I wanna be able to go to work and not have to worry about the dog being depressed or something. I mean how do people who live on their own keep a dog then if they have work and can't have someone look after it while they aren't there? My mom will be there to care for it while Iam away--- but I like thinking of the possible case scenarios which may ever occur. A dog is a responsibility--- but I nor anyone else can lie and say they have all the time in the world to give the dog unlimited attention. It's what Iam saying. People have to go to work to bring in the bacon. But how do you make sure the pooch is okay and fine?

Sure you get what you pay for. But sometimes it doesn't work like that. Many times I'ved bought higher priced stuff like say.... There's a higher priced fish food for goldfish. but that fish food is actually not even good for them. While a cheaper one is actually better. It's an example.
So how is that getting what you payed for? I'm all bout love, care, devotion, and spending on your pet making sure its groomed and pampered. But there's a difference between doing that, and spending money on something it doesn't need or it's completely the same.

another example is--- go to a petstore and look at those small 1.5 gallon fish tank kits. Costs like 50-100dollars for those small desk top fish tanks. Complete garbage which you could be using that money to get a tank thats like 20g-30g or even 40g. You payed alot of money for that small kit--- but in the end it was crap. That happens A LOT of the times with things pet related. When I'm more awake ill post up more examples. So that whole rule isn't really a good rule of thumb. It's more of learning the value of the dollar.

and no I mean subdominant. Here's the defenition:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subdominant

She's shy, but she's also bold. I consider her to be sub-dominant. I mean her whole personality screams out "sub-dominant".


Telling me "Wow... you need to do a lot of research before you consider getting a dog of any kind." isn't really helpful at all. Since its not really giving anything that's really going to contribute to it. Instead of making that comment you could have just suggested on what to read and such.

The typical English Bulldog actually weighs more than a real APBT, so in spite of having shorter legs, it's really a larger dog. Other posters have gone into the topic of the multitude of health issues with that breed, so I won't bother. Frenchies are only slightly less typically dog-aggressive than APBT's, but otherwise have the same disposition and are much more active than an English, much less prone to health issues, too, but like all "bully" breeds, they shed and they produce a lot of dander, the latter of which is a source of allergins. There really is no such thing as a "hypo-allerginic dog", as some folks are allergic even to hairless breeds. Dogs like Poodles have reduced allergenic effects on most people because their coats keep the dander down next to their skin, but the trade-off is frequent grooming, which often must be done professionally, so there's that expense. The same goes for any fo the "Poo" mutts, and they ARE mutts. CKC(Continental Kennel Club)"papers" are not worth the paper they are printed on as this company will literally register a dog you pick up off the street and it was formed to cater to real "puppy mills" who'd been kicked out of legitimate registries for animal cruelty violations. Again, even many legit registeries nowadays are rife with fraud; the "Razor's Edge" line of "pit bull" is a case in point, as these dogs are a mixture of APBT, Cane Corso, Neopolitan Mastiff, American Bulldog and English Bulldog-MUTTS, in other words, yet many have UKC or ADBA "papers" because of dishonestly on the part of breeders.

I shudder at your comment that you "get aggressive" when awakened suddenly. Animals have a tendency to do just that-wake people up, unless you keep the animal confined to a cage and it's a species that doesn't make noise, and dogs are not included in that category. So, just what would this "aggression" include, should your dog jump in bed with you, or bark or whine because it needed to go out and relieve itself?

pitbulllady

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Agreed


Indeed.


40 - 50 pounds = 40 - 50 pounds
You must be going by height... pits do tend to be taller...


You were referencing veterinary medicine. There is a notable difference between going to low cost clinics versus developing a patient/client/doctor relationship with a reputable veterinarian. Many people end up spending extra at at reputable animal hospital after inappropriate services at a cheap clinic.

In that same vein, if searching for a purebred animal, paying more for a puppy from a reputable breeder will be better in the long run than paying less for an animal that is mill-bred or 'backyard' bred.


Better re-read that definition. It does not apply to dogs.


Yo, Junior, I have grandkids older than you, and some of them are parents. I've been in veterinary medicine, including shelter medicine and other aspects of animal care and rescue for more than forty years. I've seen first hand the results of "I want, I want, I want", then the people are unable or unwilling to appropriately care for what they got. Many, many people live lifestyles that are not conducive to being good dog owners. That's why so many dogs end up with behavioral problems and/or surrendered to rescues or shelters. Dogs are a 24/7 responsibility.

Posting on an arachnid forum about "What kind of dog should I get..." is not research or gaining experience. Try reading some books on dog behavior. Authors like Patricia McConnell (The Other End of the Leash) and Jean Donaldson (Culture Clash)would be a good start to learning dog/human interaction and responsibility. Volunteer at an animal shelter or with a local rescue group. Get a job at a local animal hospital. There is only so much you can learn sitting at the computer.

I, and most others who posted, were giving you straight forward information, no sugar coating. Maybe with maturity you will learn to handle reality. Some do, some don't. If you need a sugar-titty, this is not the place to look for it.

Thank you for stating everying that I believe here. This is someone who really does NOT need a dog, period. A typical teen who believes that adults with many decades of experience are stupid and no nothing because they don't work in a zoo or don't breed dogs "professionally"(i.e., run a "puppy mill" to sell puppies commercially). We've had them on here before. They ask questions, but they don't want the answers because they've already made up their minds and the answers go against what the want to believe.

pitbulllady

 

[pouchedrat]

We're actually planning on adding a french bulldog to our family in the distant future. I've done a million of those breed quizzes (frenchies area always one of the very top on the list they give me), done the research, found a vet who's familiar with brachycephalic dogs, and found a great looking breeder (granted, in another state, but within driving distance) who's worked with and shown the breed for 17 years, and another similar breed for 30. She also served on council for rewriting dog breeding laws in her state. We plan on after our move to pack up the family and drive there to meet her dogs and see if a frenchie is in fact what would fit in with our family and if my kids are OK around one or not.

Our plan, though, isn't to get one until next year, or later, when we're settled and completely ready for it. Someone's ALWAYS home in our house, both my man and I work opposite shifts. We have a rather relaxed lifestyle though, nothing strenuous. There's a good dog park nearby, miles of paved trail in the woods (I know this breed's not good with strenuous excercize or in extreme temperatures) dog training courses available nearby, etc. The biggest fear I have is that this is my first dog, EVER, and the ONLY dog experience I have is around aggressive black labs that belonged to distant family members (protective farm dogs and strictly hunting dogs who were very territorial, and never allowed indoors) or being bitten by a golden retriever and a dalmatian. I also have a slight fear of dogs... thanks to my mom. Yeah, I keep and love rats, tarantulas, cockroaches, small snakes, and have had and held all kinds of 'creepy crawlies" but dogs? I dont' have any positive experience with dogs in my life. I recognize it's not the dogs' fault many cases. So I'm hoping that the breeder visit will help me ultimately decide whether or not this is a good match at all. ESPECIALLY since I'm the one who'll be home during the daytime, so I'll be the primary caregiver.

I know the whole "adopt instead of buy" thing, MOST of my pets past and present have been rescues. But since this is the first dog in my life and I'm 30? I want to do as much research as possible and wait as long as possible... and go with the best breeder for the best breed match I can find within driving distance (I don't really feel comfortable flying a dog to me) and yeah i recognize there are exceptions to all breeds, but going with a general rule, I feel more comfortable this way.

Sorry, was reading the post and because it was about the same dog breed that we've been looking into getting, it felt like I was reading an indirect attack to anyone who wanted a breeder dog or a french bulldog, heh. I appologize. Without derailing this thread too horribly much, what would a new dog owner look for in getting a dog? I'm familiar mostly with exotics, herps, rodents, prairie dogs, and we have two cats.. never owned anything dog like, unless you count our rats, who probably won't be around next year when the dog would come (they're getting up there in age)

 

[LeilaNami]

SandDeku is well aware that posting on a forum isn't research. I've talked to this person quite a bit recently and this is a thread asking to get some guidance to help narrow down the search for an appropriate breed and trying to reconcile their needs with their mother's penchant for appearances. As they said, there are 100s of breeds and having some knowledgable person help narrow it down would be incredibly helpful. SandDeku is smart enough to not go out and buy a dog simply because someone on the forum suggested a breed.

I suggest instead of reprimanding this person for trying to get help, be thankful that they aren't going out and buying a random dog at a pet store and not putting any thought into it at all. I'm just asking that you guys lighten up. SandDeku is reacting to being put on the defensive by some less-than-polite comments on here.

Pouchedrat's method of research helps a lot. Talking to vets and even talking to reputable breeders helps in finding a breed. A good breeder will flat out tell you that the dog you're asking about will not be right for you household.

 

[apopli]

I'm not gonna touch anything else going on here, but this stuck out at me:

2)High energy but needs only 30mins of excersice. Though i'd give it an hour or two if necessarry. I wouldn't mind

This doesn't exist. A high energy, intelligent dog that only gets 30min-an hour or 2's worth of exercise and stimulation a day will become destructive and develop many unwanted behaviours (some potentially severe and dangerous) out of boredom.

It sounds to me like you're looking for something very LOW energy and laid back that can entertain itself for most of the day most of the time.

 

[Formerphobe]

We're actually planning on adding a french bulldog to our family in the distant future. I've done a million of those breed quizzes (frenchies area always one of the very top on the list they give me), done the research, found a vet who's familiar with brachycephalic dogs, and found a great looking breeder (granted, in another state, but within driving distance) who's worked with and shown the breed for 17 years, and another similar breed for 30. She also served on council for rewriting dog breeding laws in her state. We plan on after our move to pack up the family and drive there to meet her dogs and see if a frenchie is in fact what would fit in with our family and if my kids are OK around one or not.

Yes! :worship::clap::worship::clap::worship::clap:

You are on the right track. I wish even half of my clients were like you! You can also contact Frenchie Rescue groups, go to dog shows, find a local breed club, pet expos, etc to see and find out info on the breed. There are always people willing to talk about their breed... sometimes to excess. LOL As with anything, you may sometimes have to weed out the facts from the BS. There will be some aficionados reporting their breed leaping tall buildings in a single bound, stopping speeding locomotives, ending hunger in third world countries, and decreasing the national deficit...

With any new dog of any breed I recommend the whole family attend obedience classes with the pup/dog. Look for a trainer that teaches/trains by positive reinforcement. (If any recommend choke chains, dominance rolls, staring the dog down, physical punishment, etc, then grab your dog and run quickly in the other direction.) Obed classes teach the humans how to teach the dog and gets everyone in the family on the same page as far as commands, strategy, etc. Obed classes also promote confidence in both the owner(s) and the dog making for a healthy relationship.

Frenchies tend to be a bit hard headed but, any individual of any breed will take a mile if you give them an inch (just like a human child...). Be firm, consistent, fair. Set them up to succeed.

Frenchies aren't as 'severe' as some of the other brachycephalic breeds. Most can tolerate more exercise than the average Pug or Eng Bull. Within reason, a tired dog is a good dog. The most well-behaved dogs I see are those who get lots of daily exercise and spend lots of quality time with their human family (their pack).

Good luck with your move and your search for a canine family member.

 

[LeilaNami]

Yes! :worship::clap::worship::clap::worship::clap:

You are on the right track. I wish even half of my clients were like you! You can also contact Frenchie Rescue groups, go to dog shows, find a local breed club, pet expos, etc to see and find out info on the breed. There are always people willing to talk about their breed... sometimes to excess. LOL As with anything, you may sometimes have to weed out the facts from the BS. There will be some aficionados reporting their breed leaping tall buildings in a single bound, stopping speeding locomotives, ending hunger in third world countries, and decreasing the national deficit...

With any new dog of any breed I recommend the whole family attend obedience classes with the pup/dog. Look for a trainer that teaches/trains by positive reinforcement. (If any recommend choke chains, dominance rolls, staring the dog down, physical punishment, etc, then grab your dog and run quickly in the other direction.) Obed classes teach the humans how to teach the dog and gets everyone in the family on the same page as far as commands, strategy, etc. Obed classes also promote confidence in both the owner(s) and the dog making for a healthy relationship.

Frenchies tend to be a bit hard headed but, any individual of any breed will take a mile if you give them an inch (just like a human child...). Be firm, consistent, fair. Set them up to succeed.

Frenchies aren't as 'severe' as some of the other brachycephalic breeds. Most can tolerate more exercise than the average Pug or Eng Bull. Within reason, a tired dog is a good dog. The most well-behaved dogs I see are those who get lots of daily exercise and spend lots of quality time with their human family (their pack).

Good luck with your move and your search for a canine family member.

Frenchies are so much fun. At a vet practice where I would assist and observe, one of the techs had a white deaf male. Poor dog had three different names . His favorite toy was the plastic container oral syringes came in. Every time someone's animal was out he would bulldoze it (hence one of his names being Dozer) and sit on it. They certainly are hard-headed.

 

[Formerphobe]

Every time someone's animal was out he would bulldoze it (hence one of his names being Dozer) and sit on it. They certainly are hard-headed.

LOL They have that bulldozer build, too!

 

[SandDeku]

You just solidified my case, thank you.

Yeah. You solified my case. Just because you have knowledge doesn't give you the right to be a prick. But in all honesty like I said. Keep acting like a jerk(many people on pet forums do that--- just take a good look) and see how far that gets you. I mean right now you may think its nothing to worry about. But when you start reading laws being passed down on ban about exotic pets, and you try to get people to go against that law---- and those people recall back to how people were in that said forum, and that was how they ended up loosing interest. Due to being extremely discouraged--- then don't go getting all riled up.

There isn't any reason to be a doosh bag online just because you think you know everything. Nobody knows everything and people start somewhere. I don't know what you guys are thinking that I just want a dog on an impulse buy. But think about it---- if I was going to do it on an impulse buy or for any of the wrong reasons; why would I go on here and ask questions? As well as why would I even post about it?

Word to the wise--- you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And I'm pretty sure there is always someone with more knowledge than that person acting like a smug prick. I.e. being you right now as well that other guy.
Intelligence doesn't excuse rudeness.

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Agreed


Indeed.


40 - 50 pounds = 40 - 50 pounds
You must be going by height... pits do tend to be taller...


You were referencing veterinary medicine. There is a notable difference between going to low cost clinics versus developing a patient/client/doctor relationship with a reputable veterinarian. Many people end up spending extra at at reputable animal hospital after inappropriate services at a cheap clinic.

In that same vein, if searching for a purebred animal, paying more for a puppy from a reputable breeder will be better in the long run than paying less for an animal that is mill-bred or 'backyard' bred.


Better re-read that definition. It does not apply to dogs.


Yo, Junior, I have grandkids older than you, and some of them are parents. I've been in veterinary medicine, including shelter medicine and other aspects of animal care and rescue for more than forty years. I've seen first hand the results of "I want, I want, I want", then the people are unable or unwilling to appropriately care for what they got. Many, many people live lifestyles that are not conducive to being good dog owners. That's why so many dogs end up with behavioral problems and/or surrendered to rescues or shelters. Dogs are a 24/7 responsibility.

Posting on an arachnid forum about "What kind of dog should I get..." is not research or gaining experience. Try reading some books on dog behavior. Authors like Patricia McConnell (The Other End of the Leash) and Jean Donaldson (Culture Clash)would be a good start to learning dog/human interaction and responsibility. Volunteer at an animal shelter or with a local rescue group. Get a job at a local animal hospital. There is only so much you can learn sitting at the computer.

I, and most others who posted, were giving you straight forward information, no sugar coating. Maybe with maturity you will learn to handle reality. Some do, some don't. If you need a sugar-titty, this is not the place to look for it.

"Sub dominant: something partly but incompletely dominant; especially : an ecologically important life form subordinate in influence to the dominants of a community " This DOES apply to dogs. For dogs think like "wolves" in the sense they are a pack animal. There's Dominant, sub dominant, and the complete submissive. It's usually determined during weaning the last to feed are usually the submissive ones. The first to feed are the dominant ones, and the rest tend to be sub dominant. Or so I been informed before.

My brother worked in a dog/cat rescue. Not a fan of shelters. Yes a "reputable" vet is a good option obviously. But if there is more than ONE reputable vet and one goes for less then that's okay to go for that. It doesn't make a person a "Bad" person just because they won't pay extra for something that is basically the same thing and heck--- if it has a good reputation then how is it a bad thing?

So say if I turn out to be a vet--- which you don't know me personally so you wouldn't know who Iam. Then I decided to charge an extra hundred dollars for a procedure like checking for parasites. While the vet down the street has a legit good reputation and goes a bit cheaper so you're saying people will go straight to me just because I charge more? Therefore must be a better vet? I mean you did say "you get what you pay for".

As well as I never said I'd buy from a cheaper breeder. Just talked about vets. Nothing is set in stone.



I worked at a petstore, I know about responsibility and such. I'm no expert by any means; but I do know my share of information--- yet I try to seek more info. Everyone who owns an animal "wants" it. You wouldn't be owning a dog if you had no interest in owning one or wanted one for whatever reason.

Also going on and reading books may not be the best idea. Books tend to get outdated very fast. The internet can be updated in just the click of a button in just 5seconds or less. While a book takes a long time for someone to publish a new book. Nobody has a say on the book. Nobody can "post" on the book and correct any errors.

I tried books before infact i have some books at home that are pretty much outdated and incorrect--- even when I bought them. They were about turtles. When I first got it I thought that was correct information. Turns out it was bs. Like I said earlier in the post--- nothing is set in stone.

Going on a forum even for arachnids is not a bad idea to get information. People everywhere whether its a cat forum, frog forum, fish forum, reptile forum, avian forum, arachnid forum, whatever you can think up. Doesn't matter. People always have an interest in dogs--- sure not EVERYONE but there is USUALLY a great deal of people that are knowledgeable.


YOU can't determine who is unfit to care for an animal--- nor anyone on here. Because you don't know the person. For all you know the person could be trying to get a thought across but instead a different thought is being thrown across which is not the actual thought of the person. The internet is a cold cold place in the sense of--- if I say good morning you can't say if I'm happy or not. Or if I said Hello. It's just stupid.

I never asked to sugar coated. I just asked not to be a douche bag about it. I mean it's basically like me saying "hey you're doing it wrong re-turd. You're supposed to put the battery the other way in". Sure I'm giving the information that is needed, but I'm also being a jerk at the process if I had done something like that.

Just because you or anyone else have knowledge doesn't give you the right to be a dick to everyone on here.

You're 40ish? If you're 40--- here's a tip. Grow up and act like one. People are giving me answers, which I'm grateful for. But I don't go online just to be disrespected by someone. It's called being tactful.

Many people can go to work and still have a dog. I mean I'm pretty sure you go to work and have yourself a dog. If work stopped you from having a dog--- then why would there be countless of breeds? If people can't own a dog because they need to go to work, then why keep breeding the dogs? Sure there are families--- but children(talking about ages 1-14ish) are usually not fit to care for a dog alone.
Dogs can live up to 9-18years(chihuahuas are the long living ones I believe), that would mean the gap that a person could own a dog is like what a few years? In their teens? Then what becomes of the dog?

If you're a vet(not saying you are or aren't) and you have people coming in saying that they "Want, want, want" a dog wouldn't it be your job to teach them the basic needs of the dog? Therefore wouldn't that correct many of the issues?

Many people who have pets and properly don't care for them correctly usually are because they seek knowledge only to be shot down by people like you. Then where do they turn to? They'll turn to the person who is willing to help but isn't knowledgeable to do so.

I myself want a dog for myself---- I'm not talking about that I'll buy one right off the bat. I mean if I was going to rush into that sort of thing---- why would I go post a thread about dogs? Why would I be trying to seek information? There's many information online that is false. So googling is not usually the best option. Pet store employees on the norm have little to no knowledge about animals--ironic. Books can be out dated. Going to a vet just to ask some questions is just going to waste the vets time where he could be saving the lives of other animals.

So where does one turn to? A breeder? Not all breeders are knowledgeable you even stated that yourself. A shelter? Working in a shelter doesn't mean you know everything there is to know. They're just employees. So again who do they turn to? The internet? But where? A forum? How can you turn to a forum where people constantly criticize everyone for anything said or asked? It's not even over exaggerated. Go look at some threads by other people and look how many arguments are done.

Arachnoboards doesn't really differentiate from a forum for dogs or cats. Dogs and cats are very common pets and for the most part people owning exotics tend to have a dog or a cat(not always). So it wouldn't really matter.

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I'm not gonna touch anything else going on here, but this stuck out at me:



This doesn't exist. A high energy, intelligent dog that only gets 30min-an hour or 2's worth of exercise and stimulation a day will become destructive and develop many unwanted behaviours (some potentially severe and dangerous) out of boredom.

It sounds to me like you're looking for something very LOW energy and laid back that can entertain itself for most of the day most of the time.

No I was reading online and that's why I thought of it. In reality I'm just looking for answers--- I'm not out to make a hasty decision. I just wanna know if I can keep a dog with the living conditions I'll be in. I mean how do people keep both a job and a dog? I'm pretty sure that people can do both. But that's what Iam trying to ask. How do you do that without the dog getting bored or destructive? I figured I could hire a doggy sitter or something. I'm not going to get that dog now. I already have a dog--- well not my dog. It's my mothers dog--- she's a stay-at-home wife so she can give it full undivided attention for more hours.

But I'm asking for when I decide to get my own place. I like to think ahead and plan ahead. I don't like rushing into things that big.

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I think what others are trying to say, somewhere deep , is that if you aren't home & someone lets the dog into your room without thinking, you could have just some tufts of fur left. Simply because you may be going for a lower prey drive, but when the human is removed from the situation, all bets are off

If you can get past the hair, you should look into an Australian shepard or sheltie. Not saying one wouldn't eat a pet rabbit, but herding breeds are bred to guard livestock & can be trained to accept a wider range of animals that others might accept as prey.

Now I don't know how hard it would be to train any dog to accept a rabbit. I just know there are plenty of dogs that are capable of being trained to watch chickens, despite the number of dogs that would just rather eat them.

Now a mix might still be a good idea, depending on the other half. Sometimes it can dull down what a breed has been bred for. Although it might not

I myself have a dachshund x australian shepard mix. He's actually alot like what you seem to want, minus my dog does have a high prey drive. It is feasible to find a couch potato & good hiking dog all rolled into one. Mine's passed right now, but all I need to say is "ball" & he'll be on his feet as a different creature from the one passed out.

Ehh I'm getting my rabbit a hutch. She's in a large cage right now. But I figured a wooden hutch would be better. Because I'ved seen those things and they are quite sturdy and ventilated like a cage is so. The dog won't be able to reach it. But I just don't want it to constantly bark at it because that would scare it.


I'm worried about it being harassed more now, than it being eaten. Since I should be getting a rabbit hutch in a month. The cage is in my room now---nobody ever dares to go into my room, that and its ussually locked by key. See I just wanna see what my options are. I guess a couch potato may just be a better idea. Because the more I think about it. I would like to take a dog with me wherever I go. But if that would be the case, I rather I could carry it if I have to travel with it. I love traveling to places like other states. So carrying a small dog isn't that bad. Some dogs are actually quite comfortable with that.

But what I been asking and trying to learn is--- how do you go to work and have a dog yourself? I mean its not like the dog could come with you to work.

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The typical English Bulldog actually weighs more than a real APBT, so in spite of having shorter legs, it's really a larger dog. Other posters have gone into the topic of the multitude of health issues with that breed, so I won't bother. Frenchies are only slightly less typically dog-aggressive than APBT's, but otherwise have the same disposition and are much more active than an English, much less prone to health issues, too, but like all "bully" breeds, they shed and they produce a lot of dander, the latter of which is a source of allergins. There really is no such thing as a "hypo-allerginic dog", as some folks are allergic even to hairless breeds. Dogs like Poodles have reduced allergenic effects on most people because their coats keep the dander down next to their skin, but the trade-off is frequent grooming, which often must be done professionally, so there's that expense. The same goes for any fo the "Poo" mutts, and they ARE mutts. CKC(Continental Kennel Club)"papers" are not worth the paper they are printed on as this company will literally register a dog you pick up off the street and it was formed to cater to real "puppy mills" who'd been kicked out of legitimate registries for animal cruelty violations. Again, even many legit registeries nowadays are rife with fraud; the "Razor's Edge" line of "pit bull" is a case in point, as these dogs are a mixture of APBT, Cane Corso, Neopolitan Mastiff, American Bulldog and English Bulldog-MUTTS, in other words, yet many have UKC or ADBA "papers" because of dishonestly on the part of breeders.

I shudder at your comment that you "get aggressive" when awakened suddenly. Animals have a tendency to do just that-wake people up, unless you keep the animal confined to a cage and it's a species that doesn't make noise, and dogs are not included in that category. So, just what would this "aggression" include, should your dog jump in bed with you, or bark or whine because it needed to go out and relieve itself?

pitbulllady

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Thank you for stating everying that I believe here. This is someone who really does NOT need a dog, period. A typical teen who believes that adults with many decades of experience are stupid and no nothing because they don't work in a zoo or don't breed dogs "professionally"(i.e., run a "puppy mill" to sell puppies commercially). We've had them on here before. They ask questions, but they don't want the answers because they've already made up their minds and the answers go against what the want to believe.

pitbulllady

Actually I'm not here to make a hasty decission. If In the end keeping a dog is not the best idea for me then I won't. But I rather look around and see the options. When I say I get aggressive when I wake up I mean I'm vocal or grumpy. Don't take things overly serious.

 

[SandDeku]

We're actually planning on adding a french bulldog to our family in the distant future. I've done a million of those breed quizzes (frenchies area always one of the very top on the list they give me), done the research, found a vet who's familiar with brachycephalic dogs, and found a great looking breeder (granted, in another state, but within driving distance) who's worked with and shown the breed for 17 years, and another similar breed for 30. She also served on council for rewriting dog breeding laws in her state. We plan on after our move to pack up the family and drive there to meet her dogs and see if a frenchie is in fact what would fit in with our family and if my kids are OK around one or not.

Our plan, though, isn't to get one until next year, or later, when we're settled and completely ready for it. Someone's ALWAYS home in our house, both my man and I work opposite shifts. We have a rather relaxed lifestyle though, nothing strenuous. There's a good dog park nearby, miles of paved trail in the woods (I know this breed's not good with strenuous excercize or in extreme temperatures) dog training courses available nearby, etc. The biggest fear I have is that this is my first dog, EVER, and the ONLY dog experience I have is around aggressive black labs that belonged to distant family members (protective farm dogs and strictly hunting dogs who were very territorial, and never allowed indoors) or being bitten by a golden retriever and a dalmatian. I also have a slight fear of dogs... thanks to my mom. Yeah, I keep and love rats, tarantulas, cockroaches, small snakes, and have had and held all kinds of 'creepy crawlies" but dogs? I dont' have any positive experience with dogs in my life. I recognize it's not the dogs' fault many cases. So I'm hoping that the breeder visit will help me ultimately decide whether or not this is a good match at all. ESPECIALLY since I'm the one who'll be home during the daytime, so I'll be the primary caregiver.

I know the whole "adopt instead of buy" thing, MOST of my pets past and present have been rescues. But since this is the first dog in my life and I'm 30? I want to do as much research as possible and wait as long as possible... and go with the best breeder for the best breed match I can find within driving distance (I don't really feel comfortable flying a dog to me) and yeah i recognize there are exceptions to all breeds, but going with a general rule, I feel more comfortable this way.

Sorry, was reading the post and because it was about the same dog breed that we've been looking into getting, it felt like I was reading an indirect attack to anyone who wanted a breeder dog or a french bulldog, heh. I appologize. Without derailing this thread too horribly much, what would a new dog owner look for in getting a dog? I'm familiar mostly with exotics, herps, rodents, prairie dogs, and we have two cats.. never owned anything dog like, unless you count our rats, who probably won't be around next year when the dog would come (they're getting up there in age)

We're somewhat in the same page. I'm just trying to gain knowledge before I act. I mean at first I thought I could get a dog in half a year. But then I realized I should wait longer for it. But that's the thing. I can't forsee if I'm going to get married or not. I mean this isn't about the main topic--- but I'm pretty shy so I maybe single for a while. So that was what I'm trying to get at. How does someone have a dog and a job and be able to satisfy both?

I started to figure out that I could just hire a dog sitter to play with the dog for a few hours and make sure it gets to take care of its necessities when I'm not physically there. I'm just not good at wording things out. Anywho. I like frenchies myself too. But I'm not going to get one just by how they look or just personality. I'm just wanting a dog that I can personally keep and will satisfy my personal needs regarding on what I'm looking for a dog, and that I myself can satisfy its need--- even while I'm not there. What makes me scared though is if I worked an 8-12hour shift and I had a doggy sitter wouldn't the dog become more attached to the sitter? Maybe ill look into a stay-at-home job. I mean I'm not even sure what I wanna do yet. But in the mean time I'm just planning out the rest in different case scenarios.

I keep turtles, toads, a spider, some huge 3-4year old goldfish(12inches for the commons and 8inch for the ryuukins).
My mother has her dog--- which I help her take care of. I know the doggy basics on training and care. I'ved done that part of the research--- atleast for what she has. But I'm thinking about my own dog and I figured a dog is a big responsibility and something that should be thought hard upon. I would adopt if I find a good reputable shelter. If I end up buying--- I'd buy from a reputable breeder and make sure its top of the line.

As for a vet that's where I'm stumped. I have a reptile vet that only deals with exotics. So that's what Im going to look more info. But before i look for that I need to know what breed Im looking into keeping because then I can look for specific vets that have dealt with such illness and complications that may occur on that said breed. You know?

 

[NikiP]

A crate is your best friend if you are worried about a dog being loose while you're at work, teach them to stay in a crate. One of the best tools ones can ever teach a dog.

 

[SandDeku]

A crate is your best friend if you are worried about a dog being loose while you're at work, teach them to stay in a crate. One of the best tools ones can ever teach a dog.

Oh I know about that. But I'm talking about--- it feels cruel to just keep it in a crate. Is it possible to teach it to be on its own room and have fun on its own while I'm at work? And won't get too destructive or "doggy depression"? I mean I know some dogs are extremely attached to their owners. Which is what I like because I want to have a dog that will bond mainly with me(and tolerate other people--- for obvious reasons) but won't become depressed or anything when I'm gone. Cause somebody has to bring home the bacon.

I mean eventually I may get married. But its a long way from now---especially since I'm too shy and way too picky(personality wise lol) of people.

I may hire a doggy sitter or something. But I want it to be able to be alone for periods of time and be happy. Is that possible? It's not like ill leave it for a day alone. Its more of like 8-hours or so(a normal workday) and I'd walk it before and after work for atleast an hour or two on both terms.

A friend suggested a shiba inu maybe good for me if I just walk it for atleast 2-3hours daily. which I'm okay with as well. It'll give me a chance to get some fresh air and relax.

They have a high prey drive. But I figure I found away on how to get around this. Ill give my rabbit a seperate room that the dog will never be able to get into. Ill make sure it has "noise canceling" walls. So if the dog barks or something it won't scare the shiz out of my bun bun. Ill also try to socialize them together in their own terms while the dog is leashed.


So far from reading what a few pages say about them. It sounds good for me. Independance may prove troublesome because it may mean they may have a mind of its own in a sense where if you wanna train it to not poop on the floor-- it maybe stubborn. lol.

 

[Pssh]

My terrier mix loves my guinea pigs. She cuddles with them. They dont really share the feeling though!

how are you going to give your bunny free range time?

 

[SandDeku]

My terrier mix loves my guinea pigs. She cuddles with them. They dont really share the feeling though!

how are you going to give your bunny free range time?

We have many rooms in this house so I can give her a roam of a room. And when I move out--- ill move out when I already bought a house. I don't want an apt.

The dog will have a roam of his own room as well. Since at most if I get married I'm not planning for kids--- I don't like em. So I should have enough room for them. MAybe ill get another bunny playmate for my bunbun.

I guess I'm now just trying to figure out what dog I would and will have. I plan on having a one story house, basement, double garage or single(idrc about garage just for the car and that's it). A medium sized yard with a tool shed. 4-5rooms and 2bathrooms, a medium sized kitchen and a large living room. I like to plan ahead and well. That's what I'm going for. If anything changes to a smaller house then that's fine.

Right now I'm looking at rabbit hutches. Where my rabbit can stay in there untill I can take her out and get her some playtime. I may even just put in a kid fence(the ones for stairs) and make it like 4ft tall atleast and so the rabbit can have time outside of the cage when I'm not there.

 

[Pssh]

guineapigcages.com has a forum with tons of people who keep rabbits. they have a lot of neat and inexpensive ways to make cages that actually look okay and still satisfy the needs of the animals in it. They can also teach you how to rabbit proof the room so that the rabbit can have the room to himself when you aren't around.

 

[SandDeku]

guineapigcages.com has a forum with tons of people who keep rabbits. they have a lot of neat and inexpensive ways to make cages that actually look okay and still satisfy the needs of the animals in it. They can also teach you how to rabbit proof the room so that the rabbit can have the room to himself when you aren't around.

Herself. And Ill look into it. My mom wanted me to get rid of her to make room for the pup. but I said no firmly. I love her and I want her to stay. So they're okay with it but I'm hoping to get a better cage. Some cages look ridiculous and look a pain in the arse to clean. Cleaning this rabbit cage is a pain. The stuff clumps. I have to pick it up by hand-- which feels gross on my hands but I deal with it.

I hope to find an easy to clean, sturdy, big and well ventilated cage. I heard you can put news papers under the bedding and when you need to clean it just to roll it and that makes cleaning easier because the bedding on top of it most of it will come out easily.

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I may just buy myself a god damned vacuum cleaner JUST for cleaning the cage. But by god I saw the cages in there. Those are HUGEEEEEEE. I was told that they only needed a 5ft long cage. lol. Oh well i guess nows the time for improving. Just wondering how to clean that without taking it appart. Seems like a pain to take appart and put together. Plus doing that weekly-- think about it. lol. I guess a vaccuum cleaner that is extremely sturdy and powerfull will do the trick of sucking up all the crud. Then Ill just wipe it down heavily with a bleach/water solution to kill any germs. Then let it dry. Then wipe it with water and vinegar. Then wipe it down with a cage deoderizer for odor. I wonder I have a litterbox and my rabbit once was litter trained but when I moved her out of my room(space needs) she lost that litter training she knew. She uses the litterbox as her sleeping area..... She poops by the hay. :c She poops soo much that my mom co nstantly scolds me thinking I didn't clean the cage when I JUST cleaned it a day ago. LOL. Spot cleaning would help alot if the rabbit didn't scatter her poo pellets. :x I was told that my rabbit didn't need a playmate cause shes submissive and fearful. But I remember putting her with my friends guinea pigs(I was testing it out--- I know I know I shouldnt mix species but hey they didn't bit each other).

I don't like guinea pigs anymore as I used to. Not a fan of the squeeling and squirming whenever one holds one. A rabbit is calmer and generally more friendlier(least in my eyes and perspective). My friend is the guinea pig fan, I'm the rabbit fan.

I give her carrots every couple of days. Shes obsessed with them. lol
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Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooow they seem so god dang easy to make! but you sure my rabbit wont eat the coroplast? If it does is it safe? She likes to chew. she never chews on the cage but I worry.

 

[Crysta]

I hope to find an easy to clean, sturdy, big and well ventilated cage. I heard you can put news papers under the bedding and when you need to clean it just to roll it and that makes cleaning easier because the bedding on top of it most of it will come out easily.

I would recommend finding one of those cages with a slide out bottom, just make sure some areas are covered with bored if the little squares are too big, so she doesn't molest her feet (if it has a cage grate, some don't)

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I may just buy myself a god damned vacuum cleaner JUST for cleaning the cage. But by god I saw the cages in there. Those are HUGEEEEEEE. I was told that they only needed a 5ft long cage. lol. Oh well i guess nows the time for improving. Just wondering how to clean that without taking it appart. Seems like a pain to take appart and put together. Plus doing that weekly-- think about it. lol. I guess a vaccuum cleaner that is extremely sturdy and powerfull will do the trick of sucking up all the crud. Then Ill just wipe it down heavily with a bleach/water solution to kill any germs. Then let it dry. Then wipe it with water and vinegar. Then wipe it down with a cage deoderizer for odor. I wonder I have a litterbox and my rabbit once was litter trained but when I moved her out of my room(space needs) she lost that litter training she knew. She uses the litterbox as her sleeping area..... She poops by the hay. :c She poops soo much that my mom co nstantly scolds me thinking I didn't clean the cage when I JUST cleaned it a day ago. LOL. Spot cleaning would help alot if the rabbit didn't scatter her poo pellets. :x I was told that my rabbit didn't need a playmate cause shes submissive and fearful. But I remember putting her with my friends guinea pigs(I was testing it out--- I know I know I shouldnt mix species but hey they didn't bit each other).

Um, you clean too deeply?
I only use dish soap to clean out my bunnies cage and it doesnt stink. (or pet friendly toilet cleaner with aminty scent) and scrub it with a toilet brush.
She just has a green bottom thats basically her litter box.

Rabbits are smart, and they like to ignore you. My girl (flemish giant) is litter trained, and a rabbit of constant routine. If she starts chewing the carpet, or digging in it, or pooping/peeing in an inappropriate location, I say NO and chase her to her cage, or raise my voice and say 'get to the kitchen' she actually stops what she is doing and goes to her cage... she knows better, but is just being a little honky pankey trying to get my attention. But you need to keep up with this or they will 'forget' ... lol

I give her carrots every couple of days. Shes obsessed with them. lol

My rabbit gets 1 1/2 carrots, greens and lots of hay, and 1 1/2 bowl of pellets every day(probably 1cup total). Every second day she gets a banana (half) and an apple or two, and what ever else i may have eaten that day.

shes 11 pounds though...

 

[Bigboy]

Hello guys. After trying to use petfinder and the shelters. When we find the dog we want(mainly my mom wants), we call the next day to find it got adopted. This happened several times already. We're pretty tired of going through that process. Plus the whole housing procedures they do is kinda a drag. It's way too annoying to go through that process just to find out someone else got to it first.

So I'm saying screw shelters and now Iam going to the next step of finding a suitable dog. Breeders. My mom wants something she finds cute. But I want something I can "bond" with and easily train-able. She likes frufru looking dogs if that makes sense. Think of cockapoos. Maltipoos. Anything that looks adorable like a button. She's not a fan of chihuahuas(I actually am--- she's very hard to deal with when it comes to this especially since chihuahuas are easy to find even for adoption.) I like bully breeds. Especially english bulldogs. But only thing she will "accept" is a frenchie. So idk if you guys know any french bulldog breeders. As well as a cockapoo/maltipoo breeders.

She doesn't like:
Dauchshounds
Chihuahuas
Almost all bulldogs
Pitbulls(terrified)
Rottweilers
Anything that's large. She prefers something fluffy. But not like a carpet. Like she doesn't like the look of a lhasa apso(neither do I), or the look of a peckagnese, etc. She likes yorkies(but we decided we're not getting into them since I dislike them).

She's very very very picky. which makes it harder finding a dog. I just want a god dang dog. I have experience with dogs since I used to take in strays and rehome them back in puertorico--- I don't do this now since there's no strays where I live--- obv. She wants something small/medium sized. Not too small but not too large. :S

I myself just don't want anything that's overly excited at night time hours. anything that's a hunting breed or may torment my rabbit.


So does anyone know of breeders in nj? I live in flanders, nj.

Sorry for the long post. Hope you guys understand.

Why do you and your mother want a dog. Specifically, why? That should really help you narrow down the breed/type. As an aside, never choose a dog based on looks. Dogs are functioning animals, they need purpose and if you don't have a job they are suited for you are going to have a new pain in the arse for the next 9-14 years. And as to your rabbit, you never know if the dog you get will be okay with rabbits or not, you will just need to always supervise their interactions.

 

[LeilaNami]

I would recommend finding one of those cages with a slide out bottom, just make sure some areas are covered with bored if the little squares are too big, so she doesn't molest her feet (if it has a cage grate, some don't)



Um, you clean too deeply?
I only use dish soap to clean out my bunnies cage and it doesnt stink. (or pet friendly toilet cleaner with aminty scent) and scrub it with a toilet brush.
She just has a green bottom thats basically her litter box.

Rabbits are smart, and they like to ignore you. My girl (flemish giant) is litter trained, and a rabbit of constant routine. If she starts chewing the carpet, or digging in it, or pooping/peeing in an inappropriate location, I say NO and chase her to her cage, or raise my voice and say 'get to the kitchen' she actually stops what she is doing and goes to her cage... she knows better, but is just being a little honky pankey trying to get my attention. But you need to keep up with this or they will 'forget' ... lol



My rabbit gets 1 1/2 carrots, greens and lots of hay, and 1 1/2 bowl of pellets every day(probably 1cup total). Every second day she gets a banana (half) and an apple or two, and what ever else i may have eaten that day.

shes 11 pounds though...

Flemish giants are one of the few rabbits I like. :clap: I second the intelligence. We would be clipping the English lop's nails and Hugh Bunny (the flemish) would take the nail clippers and run off with them because he probably knew he was next. They spray like a fire hose when not neutered though.

 

[SandDeku]

I would recommend finding one of those cages with a slide out bottom, just make sure some areas are covered with bored if the little squares are too big, so she doesn't molest her feet (if it has a cage grate, some don't)



Um, you clean too deeply?
I only use dish soap to clean out my bunnies cage and it doesnt stink. (or pet friendly toilet cleaner with aminty scent) and scrub it with a toilet brush.
She just has a green bottom thats basically her litter box.

Rabbits are smart, and they like to ignore you. My girl (flemish giant) is litter trained, and a rabbit of constant routine. If she starts chewing the carpet, or digging in it, or pooping/peeing in an inappropriate location, I say NO and chase her to her cage, or raise my voice and say 'get to the kitchen' she actually stops what she is doing and goes to her cage... she knows better, but is just being a little honky pankey trying to get my attention. But you need to keep up with this or they will 'forget' ... lol



My rabbit gets 1 1/2 carrots, greens and lots of hay, and 1 1/2 bowl of pellets every day(probably 1cup total). Every second day she gets a banana (half) and an apple or two, and what ever else i may have eaten that day.

shes 11 pounds though...

staple diet is hay. I rarely give her any pellets. I read alot of web pages online said pellets shouldn't be a staple. I rarely feed pellets. Maybe every few days if anything. I feed all sorts of types of hay. I heard THATS what she actually needs in her diet to be happy and healthy. I give her whatever I can find that is natural that would be normally eaten by bun buns. I occassionally give her a couple of blue berries(rarely), I give her carrots tri-weekly. I heard feeding too many veggies a day could give her dia-re-uh. lol. Or wet tail or something. that it should only a few times a week.

I give her as a staple diet of hay:
-Orchard Grass hay
-Timothy Hay
-Western Timothy hay
-Bermuda Grass
-Oat hay
-Botanical Grass

I avoid feeding alfalfa. Infact I NEVER use alfalfa hay. As for pellets I go for the "oxbow" brand. A fellow coworker---this woman was deranged and completely obsessed with bun buns. I took her word more than anyone elses because well. Obsession. lol. She said oxbow is the best brand for rabbits/guinea pigs because it is the healthiest to feed them.

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Flemish giants are one of the few rabbits I like. :clap: I second the intelligence. We would be clipping the English lop's nails and Hugh Bunny (the flemish) would take the nail clippers and run off with them because he probably knew he was next. They spray like a fire hose when not neutered though.

Spray? Mines not neutered. my coworker kept insisting to me NOT to neuter her because it'd make her "stale" in personality wise. Or something. I don't know if its true.

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Why do you and your mother want a dog. Specifically, why? That should really help you narrow down the breed/type. As an aside, never choose a dog based on looks. Dogs are functioning animals, they need purpose and if you don't have a job they are suited for you are going to have a new pain in the arse for the next 9-14 years. And as to your rabbit, you never know if the dog you get will be okay with rabbits or not, you will just need to always supervise their interactions.

I took care of the what if scenario about the bun bun. She'll be safe and proof from harrassment. She's having a room for her where she won't be bothered by the poochies.

I myself want a dog that is for companion. As silly as it sounds but I kinda like the idea of carrying around with me a dog to new places and such as well. I guess its like I feel more secure. Even if the dog is tiny and puny. lol. I try not to say my real reason for wanting a dog because I'd get called a "fag" by people. xD I just think that's how I bond. Or atleast someone I can sit and watch t.v. and will be warm to the touch. I have reptiles and amphibians. I can't do that with them. As for the bunny. She likes to play more than watch t.v. She's calm but she's overly playfull so I just play with her. I just want a dog I can carry around with me to places(traveling buddy basically. but not meaning airplane. Say if I'm going on a roadtrip or something---sorry I'm bad at explaining). Also other reasons for wanting a dog is well guess I feel "lonely" sometimes and amphibians and reptiles are look-but-not-touch pets. And my bun bun well. I just play with her but I don't cuddle with her too often. I'm weird like that I guess. :S As for my mom--- her reasons: Unknown.

I guess since I owned dogs since I was a kid it just "Feels right" for me as a pet. It's what I'm more accustomed to. We took in strays sheltered them, and found them new homes. I myself never had the change to have a dog of my very own choosing and well thought i'd give it a try. I trained my friends dog or at least helped quite a lot on some stuff(training wise).

Well to sum it all up:
1)Loyal companion.
2)Travel companion(not really a "need" just would be a plus if I could do that. its not my major reason for owning one.)
3)T.v. buddy(will be near me but I won't have to constantly pay too much attention to it. Just the prescense of it near me or on the floor next to the couch where Iam sitting at is enough---heck even on the couch)
4)"play" mate. Whenever I'm bored I guess i'd like to play with it.


Plus wouldn't be a bad idea to own a dog because I'd have to walk it daily no matter how lazy the dog is or energy needs. it would still be good for me to get in a bit of daily excersice. If its low energy would be okay cause I'm not a fan of walking for hours(daily---over 3hours takes the cake. comfortable with 1-2hrs if anything.)

 

[Bigboy]

Okay, that makes sense. What you seem to be looking for is a low energy dog that isn't going to demand hours of physical exercise each day from you or a new couch to destroy weekly. Have you considered english bulldogs or english bulldog mixes? They aren't pretty but they are some of the sweetest dogs I've ever known. The only real problem, and it is a big one, is the high occurrence of diseases and disorders the breed experiences. They have the temperament you are looking for and the activity level but they've been bred to the point of being at the physiological and genetic limit for dogs.

Additionally you could get an older dog or even a senior dog from a shelter that has its intensely hyper puppy years well behind it.