Deadly bite?

Biollantefan54

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I don't understand why you would get a obt at 13 or even more so why your mom would let you. My parents let me get a baboon T while currently I am only 14 but it is not an obt. Mine tends to be a whole lot nicer than what you have haha, tiny little M. balfouri. I don't think I could ever get an obt...
 

freedumbdclxvi

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I don't understand why you would get a obt at 13 or even more so why your mom would let you. My parents let me get a baboon T while currently I am only 14 but it is not an obt. Mine tends to be a whole lot nicer than what you have haha, tiny little M. balfouri. I don't think I could ever get an obt...
If my son wants an OBT when he is thirteen, I will let him. However, he will by then have been around tarantulas and other arachnids for a decade. I don't think age is necessarily the most important deciding factor, but it should be a major consideration when experience is lacking.
 

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I don't understand why you would get a obt at 13 or even more so why your mom would let you. My parents let me get a baboon T while currently I am only 14 but it is not an obt. Mine tends to be a whole lot nicer than what you have haha, tiny little M. balfouri. I don't think I could ever get an obt...
I would assume he would get it for the love of the animal...
 

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Just be careful with the t and respect it and you will be fine. I like the idea of locks on the cage too when my t's get bigger I will have to do that. Have fun with your orange 8-legged demon. XD
 

Biollantefan54

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I wasn't saying that it was a stupid decision on his families part, it just doesn't seem like he was mature enough nor experienced enough, this is before I read that this wasn't his first T. I thought it said that this was his 1st and based on the questions he asked I assumed that he didn't know what he was doing, sorry I misread it haha. He still doesn't seem like he is ready for it though but that could just be that me and him are the same age and I wouldn't be comfortable getting one haha. Anyways, good luck with that beautiful T and don't underestimate it!!
 

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If my son wants an OBT when he is thirteen, I will let him. However, he will by then have been around tarantulas and other arachnids for a decade. I don't think age is necessarily the most important deciding factor, but it should be a major consideration when experience is lacking.
I'm curious, what information did he retain between the ages of 3-5? I know if he's interested he'd retain info I don't doubt that, recalling my own memories of reptiles at that age and younger, what I wonder is what specifically did he learn and retain?

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In the first half of the 20th century, that was the case,but medical knowledge had drastically reduced mortality rates in anyone not immunocompromised. This isn't the paper I was looking for, but it's a good read anyway: https://utextension.tennessee.edu/publications/Documents/PB1193.pdf
Thanks for this. WEIRD, they only looked at the 1960s?? I can go with 1-5% :D
 

freedumbdclxvi

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He has learned and retained a hands off approach. From three to five i had him with me during feedings, and he learned how to water and feed them. Around age five and a half I let him have his rosea in his room with him in condition he didn't mess with her and helped with maintenance. He's seven now and has had her without mishap the entire time.
 

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I am 15 years old and I got my first Old world 2 years ago at a Reption in Tampa. Now Wrath(My H. Lividum) Was also my 3rd tarantula ever(yes I realize it was a stupid choice). She was a very small Juvenile, so i have had to Re-Housed her around 2 times already. I have never been bitten, And this is because i respect them A, and B I really hate things piercing my skin, so in effect I believe im really careful when interacting with my pets. I now have 2 OBT slings, and my mature female H.lividum, regarding my old world species. So I think age has nothing to do with it. Its maturity, and our age demographic dosent have alot it unfortunetly.
 

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So I think age has nothing to do with it.
You are wrong. Age has everything to do with maturity. Typically, one gets more mature with age, that's how neurobiology works. The reason your age demographic doesn't have a lot of maturity is because their brains are not biologically mature, it's physically impossible for them to be as mature as 30 40 50 yr olds generally speaking.

Not to mention that with age comes experience, so life experience plays a role too. W/that said however, experience comes from a variety of places and at a variety of ages and thus most people learn from those experiences.
 

angrysnail98

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Well knowledge leads to experience, And experience leads to doing things correct.So me having around 2 years experience with My Ts, And my dad being 38. and by you're theory be better with safety and Ts. Nope, He got bit by rose hair in a feeding miss-hap a year ago. My dads obviously more mature than i am, But he is not as used to the Ts, and he dident think to let go of the cricket and my T mistaked him for a meal. It could have been Him, Or my grandfather who is mature, Or whoever else with no experience with Ts that is "mature". So i believe it is a matter of experience, and common knowledge, Not "Hey I turn 35 today, I think im gonna buy an old world T for my first Tarantula becuase I feel mature now."
 

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Well knowledge leads to experience, And experience leads to doing things correct.So me having around 2 years experience with My Ts, And my dad being 38. and by you're theory be better with safety and Ts. Nope, He got bit by rose hair in a feeding miss-hap a year ago. My dads obviously more mature than i am, But he is not as used to the Ts, and he dident think to let go of the cricket and my T mistaked him for a meal. It could have been Him, Or my grandfather who is mature, Or whoever else with no experience with Ts that is "mature". So i believe it is a matter of experience, and common knowledge, Not "Hey I turn 35 today, I think im gonna buy an old world T for my first Tarantula becuase I feel mature now."
that is not what he is saying. Maturity increases the older you get, however, experience does play a substantial role in it too. But saying this, I would much rather trust a pterinochilus murinus with a thirty eight year old man than a twelve year old girl. Mistakes can be made, and less mature and developed people tend to make more of them. Age also plays a factor in dealing with the venom. An adult will deal with being bitten by a hot species way better than a young child. Experience may have a lot to do with it, but age and maturity play a huge factor.
 

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and by you're theory...... Not "Hey I turn 35 today, I think im gonna buy an old world T for my first Tarantula becuase I feel mature now."
I didn't mention a "theory" regarding maturation of the human brain. It's a SCIENTIFIC FACT. I don't make up crap, esp when it comes to science, that's called "being a LIAR".

I don't disagree with you regarding your example. I never wrote that age itself is a substitute for experience, where did I write those words or suggest that?? I didn't. In fact, I wrote something that completely took into account that experience can come at any time in life.
 
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pyro fiend

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snail i think your misunderstanding.... now Viper feel free to correct me if im wrong im just eavesdropping here.... but from my understanding of this all is when vipers saying your not matured enough he means your entire body, immune system heart etc. not your age/personality/etc... and at which point he is right..

with you being 14 and having owned T's with YOUR idea of his "theory" is you should be able to handle a bite more then me, all because tho im 20 i have 5+yrs of experience with reptiles ONLY and never touched a T...

yes im more LIKELY to be bitten.. but from what hes saying is your immunity and body could not fight it off as well as mine could if we was both purposely bit. because your younger and your body could not fight off the venom as well as my more matured system would... so technically age does have something to do with it because even if you had a friend with as much experience as you, same age, same bite placing, same amount of venom enjected your bodies will NOT act the same because not everyone matures at the same rate..

am i right Viper?
 

viper69

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snail i think your misunderstanding.... now Viper feel free to correct me if im wrong im just eavesdropping here.... but from my understanding of this all is when vipers saying your not matured enough he means your entire body, immune system heart etc. not your age/personality/etc... and at which point he is right..

with you being 14 and having owned T's with YOUR idea of his "theory" is you should be able to handle a bite more then me, all because tho im 20 i have 5+yrs of experience with reptiles ONLY and never touched a T...

yes im more LIKELY to be bitten.. but from what hes saying is your immunity and body could not fight it off as well as mine could if we was both purposely bit. because your younger and your body could not fight off the venom as well as my more matured system would... so technically age does have something to do with it because even if you had a friend with as much experience as you, same age, same bite placing, same amount of venom enjected your bodies will NOT act the same because not everyone matures at the same rate..

am i right Viper?
A bit yes..I was only speaking about normal maturation of the human brain as it relates to age, because he specified "age has nothing to do with it"...Maturation of the human brain is almost entirely dependent upon age. It's not a theory, it's not an idea people have and are wondering about. It's a proven scientific fact, demonstrated in more research papers than I can think of.
 
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haha ur 13 and own a obt thats badass mate ur killin it

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i dont plan on reading this thread, but anybody who is bashing you for this, should chill. every tarantula is harmless and if you cant stand getting a painful bite and maybe getting some muscle relaxers via a trip to the emergency room, then buy yourself a hamster. hahah
 

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Ah that too. I guess i thought you ment about age having to due with how it effects you either of which your still right i just didnt read the last page x3 my bad lol

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Ah that too. I guess i thought you ment about age having to due with how it effects you either of which your still right i just didnt read the last page x3 my bad lol

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No problema Pyro...All is good :D
 
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ClosetCollector

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haha ur 13 and own a obt thats badass mate ur killin it

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i dont plan on reading this thread, but anybody who is bashing you for this, should chill. every tarantula is harmless and if you cant stand getting a painful bite and maybe getting some muscle relaxers via a trip to the emergency room, then buy yourself a hamster. hahah
If you don't plan on reading the thread/haven't read the thread, then why comment at all? Most of us in the hobby would prefer that younger people not own nasty old world species due to the very real possibility of getting bit. Tons of misconceptions already surround tarantulas and the hobby of keeping them, the less trips to the hospital for bites and "muscle relaxers" especially by children the better.

The Op wanted us to debunk the idea of a deadly bite, due to his age weight etc as his mom was rightfully concerned about her child's well-being. Constructive criticism and information sharing is not "bashing" and those of us who enjoy keeping tarantulas will openly state what we think, know and feel about the subject.

Waltzing into this thread and attacking Viper for stating facts about age and brain maturation simply is uncalled for. I would like to point out the fact that he is knowledgeable and correct about his statements on brain maturation and development. I am sure you did not take advantage of the links posted by viper and I just so happens I do know a little about brain function in adolescence I will provide you with a bit of information. Your welcome.

The orbital frontal cortex (involved in the cognitive processing of decision-making) is under developed at this age obviously the care of an aggressive/defensive old world species would require a certain amount of "decision making ability" or maturation of the orbital frontal cortex. ??? YES?

Dorsolateral prefrontal cortex undergoes an extremely prolonged period of maturation that lasts until adulthood, when individuals have to make moral decisions the dorsal prefrontal cortex is activated. Moral decision involves knowing the facts of the situation and careful consideration of the moral values that are relevant to a given situation. Essentially it is the part of the brain responsible for right and wrong, working memory, cognitive flexibility and planning.

The medial frontal cortex: This brain region has been implicated in planning complex cognitive behavior, personality expression, decision making, and moderating social behavior. Executive function relates to abilities to differentiate among conflicting thoughts, determine good and bad, future consequences of current activities, working toward a defined goal, prediction of outcomes, expectation based on actions, and social "control".

A critical function of the human brain is to monitor behavior and prevent undesirable actions, many of these functions especially in the frontal lobe mature with age. The prefrontal cortex, a section of the brain that weighs outcomes, forms judgments and controls impulses and emotions. Neuropsychologists have known for a while that what are now called the executive functions associated with the prefrontal cortex are relatively late to mature,implying that the tissue itself continues to develop toward adult status. In adults, various parts of the brain work together to evaluate choices, make decisions and act accordingly in each situation. The teenage brain doesn't work like this.

So as viper was saying the brain is not developed enough during adolescence regardless of experience to constitute maturity, this is why children are notorious for making bad decisions, needing constant corrections and engaging in social faux pas.
 
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An OBT, huh? Better you than me! LOL

I was putting my P. irminia sling in its new enclosure on the weekend, and was trying to coax it out of its pill bottle. Holy jumpins, he's quick! Out the bottle and on it before I could blink. Thankfully he didn't go any farther (like my hand). :)
 

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