CYST Severity??

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Id like to know how how bad is my T Stirmi's cyst ?? is the conidition my Goliath is in... it acts perfectly healthy despite the cyst




Judging from Pics.. clearly there is no way other then hoping for a good molt to remove a cyst.. surgery can be deadly.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Here are 3 more pics ..
hope my T recovers from the cyst when it molts.. its not in pre molt yet though.. hasnt stopped eating,,
despite the fact im not feeding it for a good 2 weeks+
Very GOOD looking spider .. I really hope its alright

 

[jayefbe]

Any "rating" that anyone gives you is going to be completely meaningless. So much of it depends on how fast the cyst develops, how quickly the T molts, and if the cyst sticks around or stays after the molt. I'm not even sure if all cyst-like growths are the same in all cases. They likely are not. I once had a P. ornata sling with a tiny cyst-like lesion. It molted out and was never to be seen again. In other instances, cysts are formed and remain over multiple molts. At this point, nobody really knows.

I will say this, the cyst has grown significantly in just a week's time (picture #1 in post 2 compared to all other pictures).

 

[Thobby1982]

I will say this, the cyst has grown significantly in just a week's time (picture #1 in post 2 compared to all other pictures).

How did you come to that conclusion when all the pictures have the same date 2011 12 11, and IMO the cyst looks to be the same size in all the pics.

 

[Comatose]

Ibid on the rating system; if I were you I'd spend some time digging through the other threads on this topic and take the advice you find there. Both RobC and Fran had some decent discussions on the topic of cysts & molting in large theraphosa specimens.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

How did you come to that conclusion when all the pictures have the same date 2011 12 11, and IMO the cyst looks to be the same size in all the pics.

all pics were tooken dec 11 , except one was took december 4th... they are all around the same date
it has gotten a little worse since the first pics I shouldnt have fed it at all...

 

[jayefbe]

How did you come to that conclusion when all the pictures have the same date 2011 12 11, and IMO the cyst looks to be the same size in all the pics.

Look again. One pic is from 12/4. Also, this is the third thread the OP has started with pictures of this tarantula's abdomen. Looking at all the pictures, the increase in size is even more obvious.

 

[xhexdx]

I may be mistaken, but I don't recall any Theraphosa surviving a cyst like this. At least nothing documented on here.

I'd love to see any thread(s) where one did survive though.

 

[Comatose]

I may be mistaken, but I don't recall any Theraphosa surviving a cyst like this. At least nothing documented on here.

I'd love to see any thread(s) where one did survive though.

I don't see anything either; below are two threads which have a lot of information for the OP, both centered around the same spider and thus both with the same unhappy ending.

A couple quick questions for the OP - it's been mentioned that the cyst looks worse, or that it's getting worse, have you fed the spider since you recieved it, and if so, what, and in what quantity did you feed it. When? You know to stop feeding it now, right?

Here are a couple threads you (OP) can read through; make sure to click through the links. Also, 'cyst' turns up a plethora of hits here, some of them aren't applicable, but it couldn't hurt.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?183631-Not-a-good-sign-at-all-(&highlight=cyst

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/sho...ng-Zilla-s-cyst-growth-needed!&highlight=cyst

Lastly, a quick question that might already be answered elsewhere - has anyone considered that this might effect only T. stirmi? It seems that all the affected individuals I've read about are stirmi....

*EDIT - last question - Has anyone ever tried draining a cyst on a Theraphosa? I'm aware that it would be difficult procedure, but if the prognosis is that poor then perhaps it's at least worth a discussion.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I don't see anything either; below are two threads which have a lot of information for the OP, both centered around the same spider and thus both with the same unhappy ending.

A couple quick questions for the OP - it's been mentioned that the cyst looks worse, or that it's getting worse, have you fed the spider since you recieved it, and if so, what, and in what quantity did you feed it. When? You know to stop feeding it now, right?

Here are a couple threads you (OP) can read through; make sure to click through the links. Also, 'cyst' turns up a plethora of hits here, some of them aren't applicable, but it couldn't hurt.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?183631-Not-a-good-sign-at-all-(&highlight=cyst

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/sho...ng-Zilla-s-cyst-growth-needed!&highlight=cyst

Lastly, a quick question that might already be answered elsewhere - has anyone considered that this might effect only T. stirmi? It seems that all the affected individuals I've read about are stirmi....

*EDIT - last question - Has anyone ever tried draining a cyst on a Theraphosa? I'm aware that it would be difficult procedure, but if the prognosis is that poor then perhaps it's at least worth a discussion.

while the cyst is small... I havent seen any T stirmi's survive one I can only hope for the best

 

[Formerphobe]

has anyone considered that this might effect only T. stirmi? It seems that all the affected individuals I've read about are stirmi....

I lost a MF G. rosea in March of this year to an abdominal cyst/hernia. I'm aware of a B. smithi that has molted once since its cystic lesion appeared. The lesion is smaller post-molt, but still present. If I recall correctly, the smithi is a MF as well, but I'd have to look that up or contact the keeper.
Anyone know of males developing these things?

ETA: One of the links you posted is a thread with documentation and photos of a B. boehmei that succumbed to her (another MF...) cyst/hernia.
What I found when I necropsied my rosea was similar to what Joe found with his molting boehmei. Except my girl expired without molting.
"Hernia" is probably a more accurate description of some of these lesions. An injury or defect could prevent appropriate formation of the necessary layers of exoskeleton resulting in a herniation that appears outwardly to be cystic in nature.

 

[Comatose]

Lastly, a quick question that might already be answered elsewhere - has anyone considered that this might effect only T. stirmi? It seems that all the affected individuals I've read about are stirmi....

This was a poorly phrased question on my part. I meant, of the three known Theraphosa species, is it possible that only stirmi is affected? I ask because I've never (knowingly) owned or cared for stirmi, and likewise I've never noticed a cyst.

I lost a MF G. rosea in March of this year to an abdominal cyst/hernia. I'm aware of a B. smithi that has molted once since its cystic lesion appeared. The lesion is smaller post-molt, but still present. If I recall correctly, the smithi is a MF as well, but I'd have to look that up or contact the keeper.
Anyone know of males developing these things?

ETA: One of the links you posted is a thread with documentation and photos of a B. boehmei that succumbed to her (another MF...) cyst/hernia.
What I found when I necropsied my rosea was similar to what Joe found with his molting boehmei. Except my girl expired without molting.
"Hernia" is probably a more accurate description of some of these lesions. An injury or defect could prevent appropriate formation of the necessary layers of exoskeleton resulting in a herniation that appears outwardly to be cystic in nature.

If you search 'cyst' you'll come up with a few examples of spiders molting through a cyst and surviving. My understanding is that a hernia is the protrusion of an organ through a weak muscle while a cyst is just the formation of liquid in a bubble. The former would make it much harder to intervene. If that's the case, I wonder what would be protruding.

 

[Londoner]

last question - Has anyone ever tried draining a cyst on a Theraphosa? I'm aware that it would be difficult procedure, but if the prognosis is that poor then perhaps it's at least worth a discussion.

I'm not sure about Therophosa, but did you see the video Talkenlate04 made a couple of years back where he cut and drained a cyst on the abdomen of a female P. rufilata? Obviously we can't say if it's the same type of cyst that's on the OP's T, but it's an interesting video none the less.

Here's a link to the thread in case you missed it. The video and pictures of the "surgery" are on page 2 of the thread...http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=127341&highlight=surgery

 

[1hughjazzspider]

Here's a link to the thread in case you missed it. The video and pictures of the "surgery" are on page 2 of the thread...http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=127341&highlight=surgery

I couldn't find the video on there anywhere.

But IMO surgery is just risky of an option unless you really know what you're doing.

 

[Londoner]

I couldn't find the video on there anywhere.

But IMO surgery is just risky of an option unless you really know what you're doing.

The video is embedded in post number 22, between the two photos. I totally agree about the risk in attempting this. I wouldn't recommend trying it unless you were confident enough and fully prepared to accept the consequences, good or bad. I don't think it would even be an option in the OP's case.

 

[jim777]

I couldn't find the video on there anywhere.

But IMO surgery is just risky of an option unless you really know what you're doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDXSGyM9ypI&feature=player_embedded

 

[1hughjazzspider]

The video is embedded in post number 22, between the two photos.

Maybe it's just me but there's just a big blank space between the photos when I click the link. What'd you do though just search surgery?

Edit: Thabnk you Jim.

 

[Comatose]

I'm not sure about Therophosa, but did you see the video Talkenlate04 made a couple of years back where he cut and drained a cyst on the abdomen of a female P. rufilata? Obviously we can't say if it's the same type of cyst that's on the OP's T, but it's an interesting video none the less.

Here's a link to the thread in case you missed it. The video and pictures of the "surgery" are on page 2 of the thread...http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=127341&highlight=surgery

This is tremendous, thank you. I was envisioning usings a very small gauge needle or wire for a slow, controlled drain personally, but it's good to know this has been done in some form or another.

I couldn't find the video on there anywhere.

But IMO surgery is just risky of an option unless you really know what you're doing.

I agree on the risk, but as Joe said, it appears the known survival rate is zero... perhaps the risk is worth it if it could save the spiders life.

 

[1hughjazzspider]

I agree on the risk, but as Joe said, it appears the known survival rate is zero... perhaps the risk is worth it if it could save the spiders life.

I can't argue with you on that honestly.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

This is tremendous, thank you. I was envisioning usings a very small gauge needle or wire for a slow, controlled drain personally, but it's good to know this has been done in some form or another.



I agree on the risk, but as Joe said, it appears the known survival rate is zero... perhaps the risk is worth it if it could save the spiders life.

The Cyst on my specimen isnt very large.. surgery would provably lower survivability to 0%
THE Spider is in True Pre-molt now... so 1-1.5 months or so it will probably molt