Can anyone ID this

[L_L]

Hi,

"Für nichts verwendet der Mensch so viel Energie wie für das Erfinden von Ausreden!" =;-)
Freely translated it means: For nothing humans use as much energy as for inventing excuses! =;-)

=> you wish a different example? Try it with the attached photo! It's easy – or maybe it's not!? =;-)



did I really, or was it someone else who did! =;-)~

Cheers,
Martin

poste mal bidde ein closeup vom metatarsus IV...

 

[FryLock]

poste mal bidde ein closeup vom metatarsus IV...

Yes but Martins trying to show that you cant id from just one picture in which it is hard to see much in the way of definable traits

 

[FryLock]

But I think i can see were your going with that L_L the young S.peerboomi would most certainly have the full leg IV met scopulation but do you then know that a younger Lyrognathus lacks the full scopulation on leg 4 met at that size :?

 

[Martin H.]

Hi,

and thirdly it would be very Huber'ish to show a specimen you have already told how to distinguish (but you forgot about Lyrognathus' leg IV scopulation - didn't you?) in the same thread, but that would be a guess that have absolutely nothing to do with taxonomy ;-)

*LOL* Søren, it seems that you know me too well! =;-) yep, it's a female of Selenocosmia peerboomi.

(BTW, I have expected that some will suggest Selenocosmia dichromata because of the colour of the 'carapace'.)

Overall - I can only comply with Martin that most picture ID's from the "experts" (bautiful word for self claimed specialists - a friend put it like this "ex" is former "spert" is a drop released under pressure (spurt) ... get the picture?) are merely noise that confuses more than it enlightens. In particular if the guy asking doesn't know much about spiders, taxonomy - or perhaps even more important in this regard - who to trust in the world of taxonomy and identification. Usually the name they leave the board with is the result of democracy (3 Haplopelma minax, 1 Brachypelma smithi and 4 Psalmopoeus cambridgei - arh well P. cambridgei it is ...) - or - the name the guy that "shout" the highest and longest put forth ... but ...

Taxonomy and identification is not about democracy or how well you put forth your arguments. And usually you will not get any definite answers from a real taxonomist unless he has examined a skin or a spider from you that has a locality label (I can reveal to you that this is not the adress of the pet shop that sold you the spider) and compared that with a type specimen (or knowing the type specimens of a genus so well as to be able to key out your specimen - very few can actually do this reliably) pictures are nice to show to friends, like we usually do on this board, but in general very poor tools for identification. Though I will admit that some species can be guestimated with some certainty from a picture, it doesn't make a rule out of it - on the contrary it's the few exceptions that underlines the rule.

exactly my point! good summary, very well said! =

without that this thread is more or less "take a pick and hope for the best" game.

like almost any of the other "please ID"-threads on this (and other) forum!

And its getting a bit old.

dito!

iv cheated and looked at S.peerboomi adults online (iv only seen slings myself) but the back legs still don’t seem right but is that because its not mature as Søren is thinking humm.

it's an adult female (as far as I know it's from the first batch which was been sold several years ago). I think it's because of the angle from which I took the photo.

all the best,
Martin

 

[FryLock]

Well think we have all learnt things from this thread but il add this (which follows on from Søren's points), The problem inherent is that people when told that they can not learn about something for them self's the more they will continue to strive to do so even if they do it in a way that is less then correct, but by giving people some knowledge to play with not only do they gain a feeling a achievement on a personal level they also gain a greater insight in the problems of the subject (as I learnt my self many years ago).

P.s iv also gained a need for S.peerboomi from this thread

 

[MizM]

"Huber'ish"

Thanks Martin! Informative and fun thread!!

 

[phormingochilus]

BTW Can anyone put a name tag on this pokie? ;P

Søren

 

[Aviculariinae]

I think ill join the fun and make a fool of myself i seem to have a habit of doing that! Would,nt that be wright soren

Poecilotheria Miranda/ possibly Hanuamavilosumica though if it is id like to know where you got that picture from

 

[Martin H.]

Hi Søren,

BTW Can anyone put a name tag on this pokie? ;P

looks like one of these ugly brown jobbies! =;-p
As you very well know, Poecilotheria spp. are IDed by the markings on the underside of leg I and IV => any good ventral pix!?

all the best,
Martin

PS.: Has your camera problems with catching blue bloom or is it indeed as ugly? =;-p

 

[Crotalus]

BTW Can anyone put a name tag on this pokie? ;P

Søren

Hereby I name it Vishnu ;P

/Lelle

 

[Palespider]

BTW Can anyone put a name tag on this pokie? ;P

Søren

I was thinking P. subfusca.

Jim

 

[FryLock]

gald i did not find £150 for a sling

 

[phormingochilus]

It is indeed as ugly as that and very much premolt - truly the beauty and the beast all in one ;-)

Makes you think twice of all these photo ID's doesn't it? - here we even had the genus narrowed down ... This is the same spider post molt ...

Søren

Hi Søren,
PS.: Has your camera problems with catching blue bloom or is it indeed as ugly? =;-p[/SIZE]

 

[Lopez]

BTW Can anyone put a name tag on this pokie? ;P

Søren

Colour of carapace and abdomen much as in other species (of Poecilotheria), but dark bands on the carapace more widely separated mesially and the pale band on the abdomen much less distinct and traversed by a darker stripe; upperside of legs and palpi tolerably uniformly coloured and becoming darker towards the extremities, showing faint metallic lustre; tarsi not spotted above;protarsi with thin brown stripe; tibiae with very indistinct lines of yellow spots; lower side of palpi entirely deep brown, with faint metallic blue lustre; lower side of anterior legs blackish brown, and strong metallic blue lustre, and a large orange-yellow patch on the under and inner sides of the base of the tibia; third and fourth legs uniformly coloured below with a similar but smaller tibial spot and much less metallic blue tint; lower side of abdomen uniformly chocolate-brown.


^^ makes far more sense after looking at your premoult picture doesn't it?

 

[phormingochilus]

Yes - I believe Pocock had a faded specimen to work with ;-) The absolute certain way to distinguish Pokes is to look at the markings on leg 1 and 4. All else is speculation.

Søren

Colour of carapace and abdomen much as in other species (of Poecilotheria), but dark bands on the carapace more widely separated mesially and the pale band on the abdomen much less distinct and traversed by a darker stripe; upperside of legs and palpi tolerably uniformly coloured and becoming darker towards the extremities, showing faint metallic lustre; tarsi not spotted above;protarsi with thin brown stripe; tibiae with very indistinct lines of yellow spots; lower side of palpi entirely deep brown, with faint metallic blue lustre; lower side of anterior legs blackish brown, and strong metallic blue lustre, and a large orange-yellow patch on the under and inner sides of the base of the tibia; third and fourth legs uniformly coloured below with a similar but smaller tibial spot and much less metallic blue tint; lower side of abdomen uniformly chocolate-brown.


^^ makes far more sense after looking at your premoult picture doesn't it?

 

[Palespider]

It is indeed as ugly as that and very much premolt - truly the beauty and the beast all in one ;-)

Makes you think twice of all these photo ID's doesn't it? - here we even had the genus narrowed down ... This is the same spider post molt ...

Søren

LOL. I took the bait, hook line and sinker. Amazing how unprofessional your first pic is as far as lighting in comparison to the second pic. That's what I get for trying to identify a species by color.

Good stuff guys, I'm learning.
Jim B.

 

[Steve Nunn]

Anyone care to guess this one??

Photograph by D.Knowles.

 

[Steve Nunn]

Anyone care to guess this one??

Just to give some hints, this is the male, they reach handspan at full size, the females are jet black, they possess a stridulating organ, that should do. I'll be impressed if anyone can even get the genus right

 

[Martin H.]

Hi,

Just to give some hints, this is the male, they reach handspan at full size, the females are jet black, they possess a stridulating organ, that should do.

as first advance I would say it's a mygalomorphae (from the position of the chelicera, as far as I can see) and I wouldn't be surprised when you posted a photo of a non-theraphosidae. =;-) Is it from Australia?

all the best,
Martin

 

[LaRiz]

BTW Can anyone put a name tag on this pokie? ;P
Søren

Poecilotheria megadeth (sorry, I had to)