California Ts

bness2

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Although I am collecting Ts primarily for my own interest, I am also making a native species collection of a number of organisms, including Ts, if I can get any. Problem is, I can't seem to find anyone who sells any of the natives. I assume to sell them they would have to be captive bred. Short of that, I guess I would just have to find someone who has captured some and is willing to pass them along. Does anyone have any, or know of somone who does?
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The species native to California include the following. I don't know what the current status is of all these names. If anyone knows more in that regard, let me know.

Aphonopelma brunnius
A. californica
A. clarum
A. cratius
A. cryptheus
A. eutylenum
A. leiogaster
A. marxi
A. phanus
A. rileyi
A. radinum
A. reversum
A. rusticum
A. steindachneri
Avicularia caIifornica

I would also like to find some native California wolf spiders. I don't have names for these right now.

Bryan
 

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Everyone should bookmark this site: http://research.amnh.org/entomology/spiders/catalog81-87/THERAPHOSIDAE.html It is at any given time the most updated and accurate (albeit there are some shortcomings) list of Theraphosidae species.

At any rate, A. californica is listed as a nomina dubia, which doesn't address whether it is possibly/probably ArachnoJoost's Brachypelmides ruhnaui. But, if it is, Brachypelmides is officially synonymised with Brachypelma, making it Brachypelma ruhnaui, or the Mexican Golden Redrump which is available in the pet trade.
 

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Originally posted by bness2
Although I am collecting Ts primarily for my own interest, I am also making a native species collection of a number of organisms, including Ts, if I can get any. Problem is, I can't seem to find anyone who sells any of the natives. I assume to sell them they would have to be captive bred. Short of that, I guess I would just have to find someone who has captured some and is willing to pass them along. Does anyone have any, or know of somone who does?
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The species native to California include the following. I don't know what the current status is of all these names. If anyone knows more in that regard, let me know.

Aphonopelma brunnius
A. californica
A. clarum
A. cratius
A. cryptheus
A. eutylenum
A. leiogaster
A. marxi
A. phanus
A. rileyi
A. radinum
A. reversum
A. rusticum
A. steindachneri
Avicularia caIifornica

I would also like to find some native California wolf spiders. I don't have names for these right now.

Bryan
Mike "Troll" in Martinez, or Scott Bemis in Fresno (Tarantula Ranch) may have some or know where to get them.....might be too late in the year to collect now unless you want the mature males out wandering around.
Ed
 

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I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me I've heard there's some sort of regulation against selling native Californian species in California?

Joy
 

bness2

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Originally posted by Raveness
A local researcher said he had seen 8 A. eutylenum walking in a row at the Santa Rosa Plateau of course due to their mating season.

http://www.msnbc.com/local/nct/M232378.asp?cp1=1

The article :)
Nice article. Thanks!

Of course, it would be illegal to collect in the preserve, but I bet there are places nearby where they could be found. I will certainly alert some of my students when they go home for Thanksgiving. Maybe a few will still be wandering.

Bryan
 

bness2

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Originally posted by Joy
I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me I've heard there's some sort of regulation against selling native Californian species in California?

Joy
Joy, I believe you are correct, and thus my mention that I didn't think anyone would have them for sale. Basically it would have to just be some nice person who was willing to send one to me.

I believe the law also forbids selling them even if they were captive bred, although don't quote me on that. I just know that babies of wild caught California Kings cannot be sold.

Bryan
 

bness2

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Originally posted by Code Monkey
Everyone should bookmark this site: http://research.amnh.org/entomology/spiders/catalog81-87/THERAPHOSIDAE.html It is at any given time the most updated and accurate (albeit there are some shortcomings) list of Theraphosidae species.

At any rate, A. californica is listed as a nomina dubia, which doesn't address whether it is possibly/probably ArachnoJoost's Brachypelmides ruhnaui. But, if it is, Brachypelmides is officially synonymised with Brachypelma, making it Brachypelma ruhnaui, or the Mexican Golden Redrump which is available in the pet trade.
I already have that site bookmarked, I just hadn't checked there yet. Shame on me. :8o I did check another site which was helpful, http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~stevelew/socMYG.html. Now it loks like I need to do some more homework to pare the names down to what they should be.

As for A. californica, a dubious name often means it is an invalid name, not a synonym, or it would be listed as such. It could also mean that it is so mixed up that no one knows what to do. In any case, if you or anyone really does know whether it is actually Brachypelma ruhnaui I would love to know.

Thanks,

Bryan
 

Raveness

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Originally posted by Joy
I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me I've heard there's some sort of regulation against selling native Californian species in California?

Joy
I was just thinking about that..lol. That is illegal but around here their are a lot of Tarantulas..one was trying to get into my kitchen.
 

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funny how the exotic species are so much more readily available on the market than our own homeland species:? guess cause theres so much more demand for the exotics.
 

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Lateinischer Name Common name
Aphonopelma anax Texas tan
Aphonopelma bicoloratum Mexican bloodleg
Aphonopelma burica Costa Rican chestnutzebra
Aphonopelma chalcodes desert blond
Aphonopelma eutylenum California ebony
Aphonopelma hentzi Texas brown
Aphonopelma moderatum Rio Grande gold
Aphonopelma seemanni Costa Rican zebra
Avicularia avicularia pinktoe
Avicularia juruensis Brazilian yellow banded
Avicularia metallica whitetoe
Avicularia purpurea Ecuadorian purple
Avicularia urticans Peruvian pinktoe
Avicularia versicolor Antilles pinktoe
Brachypelma albopilosum curlyhair
Brachypelma angustum Costa Rican red
Brachypelma auratum Mexican flameknee
Brachypelma baumgarteni Mexican orangebeauty
Brachypelma boehmei Mexican fireleg
Brachypelma emilia Mexican redleg
Brachypelma epicureanum Yucatan rustrump
Brachypelma klaasi Mexican pink
Brachypelma smithi Mexican redknee
Brachypelma vagans Mexican redrump
Ceratogyrus bechuanicus curvedhorn
Ceratogyrus brachycephalus greaterhomed
Ceratogyrus cornuatus straighthomed
Chilobrachys andersoni Burmese musard
Chilobrachys sericeus Asian mustard
Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens greenbottle blue
Citharacanthus crinirufus Costa Rican bluefront
Citharischius crawshayi king baboon
Crassicrus lamanai cinnamon
Cyclosternum fasciatum Costa Rican tiger rump
Cyriopagopus paganus Asian chevron
Ephebopus murinus skeleton
Eucratoscelus longiceps African redrump
Eupalaestrus weijenberghi whitecollared
Grammostola alticeps Brazilian graysmoke
Grammostola burzaquensis Argentinean rose
Grammostola grossa Pampas tawnyred
Grammostola iheringi Entre Rios
Grammostola pulchra Brazilian black
Grammostola rosea Chilean rose
Haplopelma lividum cobalt blue
Haplopelma minax Thailand black
Heteroscodra maculata Togo starburst
Holothele incei Trinidad olive
Hysterocrates crassipes Cameroon brown
Hysterocrates gigas Cameroon red
Hysterocrates laticeps Cameroon rustred
Iridopelma zorodes Brazilian purple
Lasiodora parahybana Brazilian salmon
Lasiodorides striatus stripeleg
Megaphobema mesomelas Costa Rican redleg
Megaphobema robustum Colombian giant
Megaphobema velvetosoma Ecuadorian brownvelvet
Metriopelma zebrata Costa Rican suntiger
Omithoctonus andersoni Asian mahogany
Pamphobeteus antinous Bolivian blueleg
Pamphobeteus fortis Colombian brown
Pamphobeteus insignis Colombian purplebloom
Pamphobeteus ornatus Colombian pinkbloom
Pamphobeteus vespertinus redbloom
Pamphobofeus nigricolor common bluebloom
Phormictopus cancerides Haitian brown
Poecilotheria fasciata Sri Lankan ornamental
Poecilotheria formosa Salem ornamental
Poecilotheria ornata fringed ornamental
Poecilotheria regalis Indian ornamental
Poecilotheria ruflilata redslate ornamental
Poecilotheria subfusca ivory ornamental
Psalmopoeus Cambridgei Trinidad chevron
Psalmopoeus irminia suntiger
Psalmopoeus reduncus Costa Rican orangemouth
Pseudotheraphosa apophysis goliath pinkfoot
Pterinochilus meridionalis Zimbabwe gray
Pterinochilus murinus Mombasa golden starburst
Pterinochilus sjoestedti Kilimanjaro mustard
Selenocosmia javanensis Javan yellowknee
Selenocosmia lanipes New Guinea brown
Stromatopelma calceatum featherleg
Tapinauchenius plumipes Trinidad mahogany
Theraphosa blondi goliath birdeater
Xenesthis immanis Colombian lesserblack
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African redrump Eucratoscelus longiceps
Antilles pinktoe Avicularia versicolor
Argentinean rose Grammostola burzaquensis
Asian chevron Cyriopagopus paganus
Asian mahogany Omithoctonus andersoni
Asian mustard Chilobrachys sericeus
Bolivian blueleg Pamphobeteus antinous
Brazilian black Grammostola pulchra
Brazilian graysmoke Grammostola alticeps
Brazilian purple Iridopelma zorodes
Brazilian salmon Lasiodora parahybana
Brazilian yellow banded Avicularia juruensis
Burmese musard Chilobrachys andersoni
California ebony Aphonopelma eutylenum
Cameroon brown Hysterocrates crassipes
Cameroon red Hysterocrates gigas
Cameroon rustred Hysterocrates laticeps
Chilean rose Grammostola rosea
cinnamon Crassicrus lamanai
cobalt blue Haplopelma lividum
Colombian brown Pamphobeteus fortis
Colombian giant Megaphobema robustum
Colombian lesserblack Xenesthis immanis
Colombian pinkbloom Pamphobeteus ornatus
Colombian purplebloom Pamphobeteus insignis
common bluebloom Pamphobofeus nigricolor
Costa Rican bluefront Citharacanthus crinirufus
Costa Rican chestnutzebra Aphonopelma burica
Costa Rican orangemouth Psalmopoeus reduncus
Costa Rican red Brachypelma angustum
Costa Rican redleg Megaphobema mesomelas
Costa Rican suntiger Metriopelma zebrata
Costa Rican tiger rump Cyclosternum fasciatum
Costa Rican zebra Aphonopelma seemanni
curlyhair Brachypelma albopilosum
curvedhorn Ceratogyrus bechuanicus
desert blond Aphonopelma chalcodes
Ecuadorian brownvelvet Megaphobema velvetosoma
Ecuadorian purple Avicularia purpurea
Entre Rios Grammostola iheringi
featherleg Stromatopelma calceatum
fringed ornamental Poecilotheria ornata
goliath birdeater Theraphosa blondi
goliath pinkfoot Pseudotheraphosa apophysis
greaterhomed Ceratogyrus brachycephalus
greenbottle blue Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens
Haitian brown Phormictopus cancerides
Indian ornamental Poecilotheria regalis
ivory ornamental Poecilotheria subfusca
Javan yellowknee Selenocosmia javanensis
Kilimanjaro mustard Pterinochilus sjoestedti
king baboon Citharischius crawshayi
Mexican bloodleg Aphonopelma bicoloratum
Mexican fireleg Brachypelma boehmei
Mexican flameknee Brachypelma auratum
Mexican orangebeauty Brachypelma baumgarteni
Mexican pink Brachypelma klaasi
Mexican redknee Brachypelma smithi
Mexican redleg Brachypelma emilia
Mexican redrump Brachypelma vagans
Mombasa golden starburst Pterinochilus murinus
New Guinea brown Selenocosmia lanipes
Pampas tawnyred Grammostola grossa
Peruvian pinktoe Avicularia urticans
pinktoe Avicularia avicularia
redbloom Pamphobeteus vespertinus
redslate ornamental Poecilotheria ruflilata
Rio Grande gold Aphonopelma moderatum
Salem ornamental Poecilotheria formosa
skeleton Ephebopus murinus
Sri Lankan ornamental Poecilotheria fasciata
straighthomed Ceratogyrus cornuatus
stripeleg Lasiodorides striatus
suntiger Psalmopoeus irminia
Texas brown Aphonopelma hentzi
Texas tan Aphonopelma anax
Thailand black Haplopelma minax
Togo starburst Heteroscodra maculata
Trinidad chevron Psalmopoeus Cambridgei
Trinidad mahogany Tapinauchenius plumipes
Trinidad olive Holothele incei
whitecollared Eupalaestrus weijenberghi
whitetoe Avicularia metallica
Yucatan rustrump Brachypelma epicureanum
Zimbabwe gray Pterinochilus meridionalis
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Here is some common names I have found some a couple are the California species.

here is a link that leads to the same interview I put earlier but with a picture

http://www.nctimes.net/news/2002/20021003/60341.html
 
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Joy, I believe you are correct, and thus my mention that I didn't think anyone would have them for sale. Basically it would have to just be some nice person who was willing to send one to me.

I believe the law also forbids selling them even if they were captive bred, although don't quote me on that. I just know that babies of wild caught California Kings cannot be sold.

Bryan
I'm soo SOO sorry to necro this. I couldn't resist.

But the "native species" rule is for reptiles, amphibians, and fish, not non-crustacean arthropods.
 
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