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Thoth · Jul 11, 2006

Maybe we should change your name from Geography guy. ;P

North and South America are considered the New World. Asia, Europe, Africa and in this case Australia are consider old world.

Or if you know the species go to a dealers website and they usually have a brief description of the t telling whether its OW or NW, arboreal or terrestrial and some even tell you if its an obligate burrower.

Lorgakor · Jul 11, 2006

I'm just curious, did you do any general research before buying all of these tarantulas?

BLS Blondi · Jul 11, 2006

Substrate

ALWAYS give them plenty of substrate. I will tell you about a situation I had many years ago with one of my first T's. When I was alot younger, one of my first T's was sold to me as a "Thai Tiger." It was given to me in a small container with less than 1" of substrate. I put her in a 15 gallon with 1" of substrate, water dish, etc. I noticed that she refused to eat for a month. I did a little research, changed her tank to 9" of substrate, and WOW---what a change. She ate a ton and lived a long time. Had I not looked into it, she would have withered away to nothing. In short--give them what they require in nature.

MEXICOYA415 · Jul 11, 2006

An easy way to find out if your T is OW or NW would be to put your hand in the enclosure. If it runs up and bites you it's an OW. If it rubs against you or kicks itchy hairs at you it's a NW. Some agitation may be required.;P

Geography Guy · Jul 11, 2006

Lorgakor said:
I'm just curious, did you do any general research before buying all of these tarantulas?

Please! Only post if it answers one of my questions! Thank You

Questions like the one you just ask usually turn my thread from questions into an arguement. Yes I have tryed to do research on all my Ts. But I don't see how asking a lot of questions would make you think that I am the kind of person who would just randomly want any spider with no research. Oh and I actually bought 2 of the 10 I have. The others were gifts. Last year, I got an "Asian Tarantula". I find that's general name. To this day I still don't know what it is. My guess is a H. minax as it's a small, black, burrowing, aggressive T. Another example. Bombay Tree Spider. I know that Bombay is the financial capital of India. So it's from India, it's arboreal, small and nervous. It looks like and Indian Ornamental. Anyways, I think it's perfectly ok to ask questions from the experts weather you do or don't. Sometimes I like to ask questions just to see if I'm really right. I think asking questions is research all on it's own.

Cheers,

Geography Guy · Jul 11, 2006

MEXICOYA415 said:
An easy way to find out if your T is OW or NW would be to put your hand in the enclosure. If it runs up and bites you it's an OW. If it rubs against you or kicks itchy hairs at you it's a NW. Some agitation may be required.;P

That's funny. Pretty basic way of putting. Trys kill me it's OW. Flicks hairs it's NW.

Cheers,

MEXICOYA415 · Jul 11, 2006

Sorry bro, I was just messing with you I couldn't resist.

-Jorge

Scorp guy · Jul 11, 2006

Well, if you read my post, I was refering to the "leanto's" for species that aren't 'adept' burrowers. Opportunistic burrowers use already established burrows/hides. In which case the lean-to is perfectly natural, I often bury it in the sub a bit as well. I also said that the 'adept' burrowers, such as Haplopelma should be given plenty of substrate to burrow.

Sorry shadowblade, i was reffering to geography-kids first post.

Geographykid, dont get mad because you arent gettin what you want to hear, just because it's the truth. If your making a thread on a forum where many experts go to everyday, and you practically say everything your doing wrong, by not putting enough substrate, and a cardboard box for a burrowing T to go in. the reason your H. minax isnt burrowing is probably because it's sp used to not having to oppurtonity of burrowing, it probably thinks it's not suposed to:8o . the research thing, i agree on that 100% did you actually do any research before getting your T's? i've dont tons of research before i get something i havnt had before. When i got my blondi, i have it eco-earth, 9" of subsrate, a large flower pot hide, some fake plants to seem natural, some moss for humidity, a large water dish, and a humidity gauge. Im not to good with "NW and OW" but i can most defiantely tell them apart. And when someone tells you to search it's natural habitat, and you ask "how it's gonna help" we can tell it's a problem there.

TheDarkFinder · Jul 11, 2006

Haplopelma will shut down if too stressed. That is why it is not digging. They will just hide in the corner, webbing it self in and die.

Now for the expert advice, do a search you will find what you need.
thedarkfinder

bananaman · Jul 11, 2006

Knowing the difference between OW and NW tarantulas is one of the most BASIC things you encounter when doing BASIC research...

if you dont know, then i find it hard you believe you did research... maybe you "tried" but you didnt... information about this is everywhere...

Geography Guy · Jul 11, 2006

bananaman said:
Knowing the difference between OW and NW tarantulas is one of the most BASIC things you encounter when doing BASIC research...

if you dont know, then i find it hard you believe you did research... maybe you "tried" but you didnt... information about this is everywhere...

First: This thread IS NOT FOR THE LAST TIME about your opinion on me

second: I never seen anything in my books about knowing the difference between OW NW. Never seen it on my favorite bug info place either.
I never had a problem before with NW or OW spiders so I didn't find a need for that information. So even if I did come across it I wouldn't have paid any attention to it.

NEXT TIME READ THE LAST SENTENCE IN MY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD

moricollins · Jul 11, 2006

Geography Guy said:
second: I never seen anything in my books about knowing the difference between OW NW. Never seen it on my favorite bug info place either.
I never had a problem before with NW or OW spiders so I didn't find a need for that information. So even if I did come across it I wouldn't have paid any attention to it.

Hm, every tarantula book I've glanced at has mentioned OW/NW somewhere.... :?

Geography Guy · Jul 11, 2006

moricollins said:
Hm, every tarantula book I've glanced at has mentioned OW/NW somewhere.... :?

Mine don't. That sucks. My books aren't all that great. I like to use Arachnomania. But I don't recal anything about OW or NW

must buy more books. Any really good ones mori?

~best wishes~

Cheers,

ShadowBlade · Jul 11, 2006

The Tarantula Keepers Guide is a cool book. So is the one "Tarantula's". But I think the one I have is the newer one...

bananaman · Jul 11, 2006

Geography Guy said:
First: This thread IS NOT FOR THE LAST TIME about your opinion on me

second: I never seen anything in my books about knowing the difference between OW NW. Never seen it on my favorite bug info place either.
I never had a problem before with NW or OW spiders so I didn't find a need for that information. So even if I did come across it I wouldn't have paid any attention to it.

NEXT TIME READ THE LAST SENTENCE IN MY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD

This is a public board.

Read above sentence. ;P

Go to your favorite "bug place" otherwise with all your friends that apparently find the difference between OW and NW to be unimportant...

The real problem is not knowing the difference if you have either...

Geography Guy · Jul 11, 2006

bananaman said:
This is a public board.

Read above sentence. ;P

Go to your favorite "bug place" otherwise with all your friends that apparently find the difference between OW and NW to be unimportant...

The real problem is not knowing the difference if you have either...

Ya this is a public board. But is it to much to ask just to keep a clean thread that sticks to the topic with no arguments or rude remarks?

bananaman · Jul 11, 2006

No it isnt, and I agree with you... staying on topic is important... and rude remarks and arguements are something I am totally against... what I said wasnt rude, and if you had just accepted the comment well and realized that it IS important to know, and that it IS very basic and it IS very easy to find... then nothing would have happened... it wasnt my intention to offend you or anything...

Have a great day

and enjoy these wonderful creatures...

Geography Guy · Jul 11, 2006

bananaman said:
No it isnt, and I agree with you... staying on topic is important... and rude remarks and arguements are something I am totally against... what I said wasnt rude, and if you had just accepted the comment well and realized that it IS important to know, and that it IS very basic and it IS very easy to find... then nothing would have happened... it wasnt my intention to offend you or anything...

Have a great day and enjoy these wonderful creatures...

oh. I thought you and me weren't seeing eye to eye. But it's over with. For me OW or NW I kept most of my Ts the same. But I guess I should look into this more.

~Best Wishes~

Scorp guy · Jul 11, 2006

kept most of my Ts the same.

Actually, if you didnt want rude responses, you shoul'dnt have mentioned such a large mistake, that's what sparked it.

As for not knowing the difference.

I take it you TREAT all your T's the same? IMO you should treat the faster, more defensive ones with more respect (pokies, crawshayi, blondi) but im sure sooner or later you'll be bitten by some spider, you wont have a pic, and will have no idea if it's NW or OW

ShadowBlade · Jul 11, 2006

Scorp_Lver said:
Actually, if you didnt want rude responses, you shoul'dnt have mentioned such a large mistake, that's what sparked it.

As for not knowing the difference.

I take it you TREAT all your T's the same? IMO you should treat the faster, more defensive ones with more respect (pokies, crawshayi, blondi) but im sure sooner or later you'll be bitten by some spider, you wont have a pic, and will have no idea if it's NW or OW

Um... As long as the cage is labeled with the species name. It wouldn't matter if u know it's OW or NW.
Like if i got bit by a H. maculata, I know it has 'potent' venom, that matters. I could think the T's from Canada,that DOESN'T matter.

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