Brachypelma molt - what is it?

[Mez]

Bought as a vagans, its now 4-5 inches without a dark carapace
B. albiceps?

 

[paassatt]

It certainly does look like B. albiceps. I really dig the coffee-colored carapace with the dark abdomen and red setae. Very striking.

 

[TomM]

The carapace doesn't look like albiceps to me. Not bright enough. The "gold-ish" color reminds me albopilosum.

 

[mcluskyisms]

Looks to be a "hobby vagans" ie hybrid Brachypelma vagans x Brachypelma albopilosum Its a well known fact both pair fairly easy and produce healthy offspring.

 

[TomM]

Looks to be a "hobby vagans" ie hybrid Brachypelma vagans x Brachypelma albopilosum Its a well known fact both pair fairly easy and produce healthy offspring.

That exactly what I thought as well, I didn't want to throw around the "H" word though.

 

[mcluskyisms]

That exactly what I thought as well, I didn't want to throw around the "H" word though.

Haha, I know what you mean but hybrid doesn't need to be a negative word on such a forum, you cant tell me that there aren't natural hybrid Avicularia that occur in the wild...

 

[Mez]

Looks to be a "hobby vagans" ie hybrid Brachypelma vagans x Brachypelma albopilosum Its a well known fact both pair fairly easy and produce healthy offspring.

Wow are you serious?
I bought this from Lee at TSS as a b. vagans.
Do you want to purchase it?!

 

[sjl197]

It certainly isnt B.albiceps.

Yes, several redrump Brachypelma spp can have light coloured or goldish carapaces, such as B.schroederi, B.verdezi, and B.albopilosum. But, here i would also be first more tempted to suggest what you have here is some sort of hybrid, yes, i suspect it could be B.albopilosum x B.sp'redrump'.

Any seller can give an less than accurate identification, and you wont get a more precise identification from a photograph alone. If a seller bought in the stock as 'B.vagans' and it looked like a 'redrump' to them, then it's normal to also sell it as 'B.vagans'. There is so much physical colour differences in spiders being sold as B.vagans, there is lots of confusion.

 

[mcluskyisms]

Wow are you serious?
I bought this from Lee at TSS as a b. vagans.
Do you want to purchase it?!

I'm saying it "could be" TBH Lee buys a lot of slings off a lot of different people, I highly doubt that he has bred yours himself. Also I doubt that he would have any other reason than to believe he was actually selling Brachypelma vagans. And no, I dont want to buy it haha

I recently sold quite a few of my Brachypelma and only keep a couple right now and I'm happy with the two I have.

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

My vote is for hybrid also.

Looks to be a "hobby vagans" ie hybrid Brachypelma vagans x Brachypelma albopilosum Its a well known fact both pair fairly easy and produce healthy offspring.

So you're saying all vagans in the hobby are hybrids? :?

Where do you get that info?

 

[TomM]

So you're saying all vagans in the hobby are hybrids? :?

Where do you get that info?

That was my next question. What makes you think that a "hobby vagans" is a hybrid?

 

[Mez]

Well honestly i wanted to grow it up and breed it, not now. Reckon it'll go on the classifieds with a hybrid warning Who the hell paired two species?? Ugh....

 

[mcluskyisms]

So you're saying all vagans in the hobby are hybrids? :?

Where do you get that info?

No, not at all...

I am saying that hybrid B.vagans x B.albopilosum get called "Hobby vagans" over here sometimes. Hence the use of "inverted commas"

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

Well honestly i wanted to grow it up and breed it, not now. Reckon it'll go on the classifieds with a hybrid warning Who the hell paired two species?? Ugh....

Why sell it?

 

[Mez]

I dont really like the idea of purpose man made hybrids and certainly wouldnt have bought it knowing.
Are there any other known man made hybrids i should know about?

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

I dont really like the idea of purpose man made hybrids and certainly wouldnt have bought it knowing.
Are there any other known man made hybrids i should know about?

I don't like the idea either, but if I WANTED a spider and bought it and it turned out to be hybrid, I wouldn't sell it just because of it being a hybrid.

Do you not like it now or something? A tarantula is a tarantula. Does being a hybrid make it any less awesome or any less of a pet?

Unless you're a hardcore breeder what difference does it make? Keep it, enjoy it, dont breed it. It will still be just as good as any other T you have, hybrid or not.

 

[hassman789]

Haha, I know what you mean but hybrid doesn't need to be a negative word on such a forum, you cant tell me that there aren't natural hybrid Avicularia that occur in the wild...

SHHHHHH! never say the H word in such context! Are you looking for a debate! lol