jesses said:Speaking of mice, has anyone found a way to slow down a feeder mouse so that it will not be able to run so fast or bite your tarantula? Perhaps some kind of drug tha can be easily administered that will slow it down or make it sleepy without effecting the tarantula... The only recommendation I've heard so far is punching the mouse in the head so it gets stunned, but I don't think this is the result I'm looking for
Pheonixx said:PLEASE O GREAT AND POWERFUL MODS...CLOSE THIS THREAD! IT HAS GONE SO FAR OFF THE TOPIC I STARTED.
PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pheonixx said:uhh maybe because i started the thread. and it has gone way off the original topic. maybe you should read the whole thread...
I dont think the animal suffers more from being fed to a tarantula than it would slowly freezing to death in a cooler. Get real.stewartb said:The bottom line is that feeding live verts to theraphosids causes suffering that is ultimatley un- necerssary. (I have yet to find a t that will not eat defrosted mice.)
danread said:This is a public forum, just because you started a thread does not mean you have the right to close it down, or to try to lobby the mods to close it down because other members have different opinions to you.
The original post was about feeding mice to tarantulas, and it has generated a discussion about feeding mice to tarantulas. I fail to see how it has gone off topic.
Would it really be safe to feed your T a mouse that has been exposed to ether?~AnimalQueen~ said:Im not even going to get into this convo..haha... but i will say to jesses...ether...my answer to anything...haha!....could you jsut throw a cotton ball of ether in with the mouse for like 20 mins.... that would slow its reactions down.... i dunno if it would work just a thought...
stewartb said:Hello,
To Defiler, Danread and Fry. Excellent points, could not agree with you more.
With regards to the law in in the UK, it (Rightly in my opinion) exists to prevent the unnecerssary suffering of verterbrates (Caused by humans). (Before anyone asks, inverts, are not considered to be sentient beings, and thus do not require such protection)QUOTE]
How does having a spine make something "sentient"? An octopus is far more "intelligent" than an anole so is it a string of bones down one's back that makes you "sentient" rather than intelligence?
No offense but just because something doesn't have a spine doesn't mean it's incapable of suffering. Wake up and smell the coffee.stewartb said:Hello,
To Defiler, Danread and Fry. Excellent points, could not agree with you more.
With regards to the law in in the UK, it (Rightly in my opinion) exists to prevent the unnecerssary suffering of verterbrates (Caused by humans). (Before anyone asks, inverts, are not considered to be sentient beings, and thus do not require such protection)
The bottom line is that feeding live verts to theraphosids causes suffering that is ultimatley un- necerssary. (I have yet to find a t that will not eat defrosted mice.) If the individual wishes to carry out such an activity, then that is their choice, and I personally will not tell them they should not. All I would say is please don,t try to justify it it with spurious argments like "it will only eat live mice", "its natural", "the spider enjoys eating live mice" etc.
Stewart was talking on behalf of those that impose the English laws, not his personal views. You've got to understand that vertebrates are considered to be capable of 'experiencing sensation or feeling' -being sentient- most probably due to their similarities to humans, aswell as the popularity of them as pet species. I'd think that the extreme amount of vertebrate domestication has lead to this, and for terms such as "intelligence" being applicable. There's also other factors, that based on no research I may guess has to do further with human similarites. Things such as lifestyles, lifespan, reproduction etc, that humans generally respect and nurture. Also beliefs that are portrayed through parenting in regards to animals such as dogs etc. I'll stop with this for now...FelixA9 said:No offense but just because something doesn't have a spine doesn't mean it's incapable of suffering. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I’m sure that could the case when ppl have no idea how kill there feeders but its not hard too read and learn how too kill rodents cleanly with your own hands, and In no way is being envenomnated by something as mild as a say a brachy going to be as clean or as quick as say death in a CO2 tank as most bought frozen rodents are.DracosBana said:I'm pretty sure the methods of pre-killing mice are a lot more traumatic than geeting bit and poisoned by a tarantula.
ShaunHolder said:Would it really be safe to feed your T a mouse that has been exposed to ether?
Good idea, but then agian, you would want your T eating duct tape.~AnimalQueen~ said:and then i was thinking, why not just duct tape the mouses head...it would be running around trying to get tape off its head... and bam the tarantula grabs it problem solved...lol i dont no maybe im being unrealistic??? ;P
~Meagan~