Are P Regalis ' docile " ?

[MrsHaas]

I'm saying that perhaps we are misinterpreting each other a bit



--J.Haas

 

[lalberts9310]

I'm saying that perhaps we are misinterpreting each other a bit



--J.Haas

Yeah, I think so too

 

[vespers]

To be honest in my opinion would also not even recommend the so called "poor man's pokies" (Psalmopoeus genus) to beginners.

I agree they aren't for beginners, though I wouldn't consider Psalmopeus a "poor man's pokies" either. While individual temperaments vary, I've found many Psalmopoeus seemingly have more unpredictable behaviors and unforgiving dispositions than many pokies do.

 

[lalberts9310]

I agree they aren't for beginners, though I wouldn't consider Psalmopeus a "poor man's pokies" either. While individual temperaments vary, I've found many Psalmopoeus seemingly have more unpredictable behaviors and unforgiving dispositions than many pokies do.

+1, I have yet to see a threat display from my SAF p. Fasciata.. but both my MM p. Irminias, especially the smaller one, is extremely defensive and skittish.. my mature female however is an odd ball when it comes to temperament..

 

[Methal]

Depends on the person, and the enclosure more than the typical temperament of that given species if you ask me.

You wanna get a P. Regalis as your first T? go right ahead. Educate yourself, and treat the T with respect, use a good enclosure that allows for easy cleaning and feeding and you'll be just fine.

 

[vespers]

Depends on the person, and the enclosure more than the typical temperament of that given species if you ask me.

You wanna get a P. Regalis as your first T? go right ahead. Educate yourself, and treat the T with respect, use a good enclosure that allows for easy cleaning and feeding and you'll be just fine.

...says the guy that started a thread last week asking how to get an uneaten cricket out of an unpredictable OBT's enclosure, because you got nabbed by it previously. :tongue:

 

[Methal]

...says the guy that started a thread last week asking how to get an uneaten cricket out of an unpredictable OBT's enclosure, because you got nabbed by it previously. :tongue:

the low blows =D

Aside from blaming me, the enclosure wasnt the best, one of them little critter boxes withthe 3 inch square hinge door. They dont allow for the best access.
I should have had it in a 10 gallon with a good latching lid and ignored the idiots who say "smaller is better"

besides, getting bit is part of the experience =)
like having dogs and cats. they poop and kill your grass, and make your house smell. lol

 

[vespers]

No worries...I was just teasing you a bit is all, lol. I wasn't trying to deal out low blows.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

I agree they aren't for beginners, though I wouldn't consider Psalmopeus a "poor man's pokies" either. While individual temperaments vary, I've found many Psalmopoeus seemingly have more unpredictable behaviors and unforgiving dispositions than many pokies do.

I never had nor i have today a Poecilotheria, a Stromatopelma calceatum, nor a Heteroscodra maculata (even if baboon T's are my fav. T's) or other Asian arboreals (they are indeed amazing) because, thank God, i'm not into arboreals, due to some different stuff, one of them is not having, where i live, easy access to those beauty acrylic, side open, full ventilated enclosures you USA enthusiasts have (they don't ship here)
I don't like poor ventilated, "guillottine" open, glass enclosures we have here... plus for me now space is an issue when it comes to T's.
Anyway, i have two Psalmopoeus cambridgei that i've received as freebie and you can't say no to a freebie they grow like weed, super fast, but mine prefer to run and hide everytime i open the lid (i love to let the T "sense" my presence so they can hide in their retreat) rather than investigate and "attack" like my OBT would.
They are indeed maybe imo the only NW Tarantulas that really looks like OW T's, with a somewhat "nasty" venom too. That's why i call them "poor man's pookies", for their venom potency.
Of course i don't know (starting from the point that every individual vary, i'm probably the only one who deal with a "evil" AF Brachypelma albopilosum ) Poecilotheria behavior since i haven't deal with them but from what i've heard from keepers, if housed well with right set up, they are not a "bite in your face" like the "P.terror" of South African nations, tough their venom is a bit more potent than OBT'S if i'm not wrong.

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+1, I have yet to see a threat display from my SAF p. Fasciata.. but both my MM p. Irminias, especially the smaller one, is extremely defensive and skittish.. my mature female however is an odd ball when it comes to temperament..

I have heard here and there that Psalmopoeus irminia can be more "badass" sometime than the Psalmopoeus cambridgei. Beauty T's indeed they are. And pretty good eaters.

 

[sschind]

Lots of good advice here so I'll just tell you a little story about dealing with an escaped regalis to give you an idea what it might be like. Advanced warning its a long story so quit now if you are in a hurry.

I rehoused a really big female into a 10 gallon hexagon aquarium with a custom made screen lid and I was pretty pleased with the results (sorry no pictures it was years ago.) A slight miscalculation of the security of the lid, or perhaps it was a gross underestimation of the desire of the tarantula to escape, led to an escape and a very large vary scary tarantula lose in my store for about 3 days. I was working late one evening and as I walked to the front of my store to get another beer out of the fridge the motion sensor light came on as it always did and sitting right on the side of the fridge, right next to the handle, was the spider. Had I not know it was loose I think I may have crapped myself. Anyway, after taking a second to collect my thoughts I looked around for something to trap it in. I emptied out a small kritter keeper I kept on the front counter with odds and ends in it and calmly :sarcasm: placed it over the spider. The spider went nuts and bounced around inside for about a minute before it calmed down. About a minute later I finally calmed down. It was then that I realized I hadn't really thought my whole plan through. Now I had a very large, very angry spider trapped inside a very small plastic container. What was I going to do next? I looked around for a piece of cardboard or at least a piece of paper to slide between the container and the fridge and there was absolutely nothing within reach. Picture this if you can. There I was holding the container to the fridge with my finger tips, stretching as much as I could to reach something to no avail as anything that would work to contain the spider was just out of my reach. Wait, it gets better. I looked around and my eyes fell upon a rather large scissors I keep under my front counter. I picked up the scissors and tried to use it to drag a piece paper closer but that just succeeded in knocking the paper onto the floor. I tried stretching out my foot to reach it but that didn't work either. So I placed the tip of the scissors onto the plastic container and pressed very hard against it to keep it in place. This gave me the added 12 inches or so in range I needed to grab a piece of paper to slip between the container and the fridge. As I did so the spider went nuts again and I stood there for another minute or so to let it, and myself, calm down. Eventually I got the thing transferred back into its cage where I had fixed the problem with the lid and I proceeded to drink my beer, rather quickly I might add. I look back on the instance and laugh now but I was not laughing at the time.

So, what does all this have to do with beginner Ts? Well, I just wanted to show you that with a regalis its not as simple as reaching out, plucking it off the counter and putting it back in it cage. They are probably my fourth favorite spider (behind a G. pulchripes, G. pulchra and B. albiceps) but you will notice what those have in common, they are MELLOW. I just rehoused my subadult P. vitatta and I was shaking like crazy just waiting for it to bolt as I stupidly lifted his cork bark out of the old cage, transferred it through open space and placed it into the new one. Any jolt or touching of the spiders legs to the rim of the container would have sent it running up the cork and up my arm and sent me screaming and flailing my arms like I was on fire (no stop drop and roll for me in this case)

Normally I have an opinion not unlike MrsHaas in that if what you really really want is generally not considered a "beginner" animal that does not automatically mean you should not consider it as sometimes it can make you more determined to take the steps necessary to keep them. That has more to do with specific care requirements however (temps, humidity etc.) and not with the aggressiveness of the animal. In this case I would agree with what the majority have posted and say pokies are not for beginners. Heck, I've been handling T's for almost 15 years (I know, a drop in the bucket for some of you) and I still get nervous around them. Get yourself a nice G. pulchripes or B smithi or any one of a number of NW terrestrials and get a little experience first. The pokies will always be there when you are ready.

 

[awiec]

You've had excellent insights throughout this thread.

Well academics certainly aren't raising spiders and writing papers about how to keep them so it's up to us to observe and document what we can. I can only offer what I've seen and give advice with good points backing them up. Ultimately the OP is going to do whatever he/she wants but at least they will leave with some food for thought.

 

[TsunamiSpike]

I never advised getting a Poeci. If you check my first post, I advised against it. Also, Tsunami, it wont be the first case of someone selling/giving out a Poeci or OW, so its not hard to get rid of it either. Your mentality is wrong.

My mentality to actually respect and give a damn about them is wrong? Sorry if I feel they shouldn't be treated as a bad shirt at xmas that can be tossed aside without a second thought. You've got no right to tell me my mentality is wrong.

 

[Angel Minkov]

Nope. The "youll even make less of an effort" mentality is wrong. If someone truly wants a Poec, they will do their research and learn about the consequences of a mistake, and actually put some effort.

 

[lalberts9310]

Nope. The "youll even make less of an effort" mentality is wrong. If someone truly wants a Poec, they will do their research and learn about the consequences of a mistake, and actually put some effort.

like I already mentioned, not everyone is the same, and there's a lot of idiots out there getting Ts like poecis for the wrong reasons, reasons like trying to "prove" masculinity... how many beginners do we see on here actually doing their research?

I don't think you have any right calling someone out about their mentality here.. I would take that very seriously and very personaly if someone said something like that to me

 

[Angel Minkov]

Why would you. Its plain wrong to think that way. Its equally bad as trying to predict what someone is going to do and stating how much effort one will put. We should let the people decide for themselves if they will put any effort ot not.

 

[lalberts9310]

Why would you. Its plain wrong to think that way. Its equally bad as trying to predict what someone is going to do and stating how much effort one will put. We should let the people decide for themselves if they will put any effort ot not.

A lot of new comers join the hobby for the wrong reasons, so what? We should just leave the hobby to the mercy of irresponsible fools with bad consequences to follow? Or try to EDUCATE new comers on what's right and what's wrong, what will have a negative impact and what will have a positive impact. This hobby is much more than taking only yourself into consideration, people not involved in the hobby can be affected and they can have a negative impact on the hobby too, make the wrong decisions, educate people wrong, give them bad advice and the hobby won't live long.. it's not like dogs and cats that everyone loves and adores.. it's spiders

 

[cold blood]

You've got no right to tell me my mentality is wrong.

I disagree, its his opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own, regardless as to the accuracy of the opinion.:wink:

I just don't think the opinion of other interneters (did I make up a word?) should matter to anyone personally one bit. Some things are insignificant enough to just let them go...like opinions...ya know their like.....oh, wait, I shouldn't go any further.

Time to move on?

 

[Angel Minkov]

The people we can educate dont join for the wrong reasons. They join to learn and because they like the hobby. Its the people who ee cant educate that ruin the hobby. They open topics asking if they should buy a H. maculata, three pages of people say "no" and then a single guy says "you possibly could" and that immediately means they should set their enclosure and order. We cant change that.

 

[awiec]

The people we can educate dont join for the wrong reasons. They join to learn and because they like the hobby. Its the people who ee cant educate that ruin the hobby. They open topics asking if they should buy a H. maculata, three pages of people say "no" and then a single guy says "you possibly could" and that immediately means they should set their enclosure and order. We cant change that.

No but there are people whom actually want to know from experienced people and those are the people who can be convinced to get a more suitable species. Which if a person is stubborn enough to want something then they will get it, consequences be damned.

 

[TsunamiSpike]

Nope. The "youll even make less of an effort" mentality is wrong. If someone truly wants a Poec, they will do their research and learn about the consequences of a mistake, and actually put some effort.

You say my mentality is wrong in regards to predicting/assuming a person will make less of an effort and then make the same 'mistake' of assuming anyone in the same position of wanting a pokie will do the research? Way to contradict yourself.