A. geniculata vs C. cyaneopubescens for a first pet tarantula

Which would make for a better first pet tarantula?


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Cmac2111

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Which Psalmopoeus genus T's do you own? I really like the look of the P. irminia, but the P. cambridgei is pretty in it's own way.
I keep Irminia and Pulcher, very pretty T's but I don't see them all that often. Psalmopoeus are great as they (along with the genus Tapinauchenius) are the only T's that can really serve as a step towards keeping Pokies as whilst both can be fast & defensive when disturbed, a bite from a Psalmopoeus spider is far less likely to send you to the hospital than that of any Poecilotheria (though it'd still ruin your day lol).
 
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ScorpionEvo687

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I keep Irminia and Pulcher, very pretty T's but I don't see them all that often. Psalmopoeus are great as they (along with the genus Tapinauchenius) are the only T's that can really prepare you for keeping Pokies as whilst both can be fast & defensive when disturbed, a bite from a Psalmopoeus spider is far less likely to send you to the hospital than that of any Poecilotheria (though it'd still ruin your day lol).
I feel like both some of the faster & more defensive NW T's and some of the calmer & more laid back OW T's make good "intermediate" species to help prepare you for faster & more defensive OW T's which I'd consider to be "advanced" species.

I'm considering an L. parahybana now too. An in-state dealer of mine (who I will not name) has a 3" female LP available for $145 and a 3.5" female GBB available for $210. While a Genic would still be #1 for me, an LP would be pretty cool too. They also get huge (Actually probably slightly larger if you're talking max size. Max size for a Genic is around 9". Max size for an LP is around 10". Both only get around 7-8" on average.), are voracious eaters & make great display tarantulas. Only thing you're missing out on is the striking coloration you get with the Genic.
 

Pillenslikker

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Better buy a small sling if you want a LP, because these are cheap and can grow to 5 inch in less than a year.
 

ScorpionEvo687

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Better buy a small sling if you want a LP, because these are cheap and can grow to 5 inch in less than a year.
Perhaps, but I'd rather have a confirmed female.

I did originally vote Genic, and I *might* still go for that, but now I'm leaning a little more towards the GBB cause it's a bit smaller and will take up less space since it won't need as big of an enclosure. I can think of like 4 different scorpions I want (though not all at once, obviously, I'm only getting 2 starting out) but I only really want one or 2 T's since I like scorps more. The GBB is more what I'd consider an "average" size tarantula as opposed to a "large" tarantula like a Genic or LP, they web a lot which is cool, and their coloration is gorgeous. Idk. It's a toughy.
 

Pyrelitha

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they make decent begginer species, C.cyanapeubesens can be quite skitish
Well... sure but A genics get really big really fast and can be defensive/are very food aggressive and illicits way more fear in for example my kids and gf. Vs a the gbb who sits in beautiful webbing and always runs if disturbed. Might just be my thoughts though.. I literally started with both of these species as my first T.
 

Cmac2111

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Well... sure but A genics get really big really fast and can be defensive/are very food aggressive and illicits way more fear in for example my kids and gf. Vs a the gbb who sits in beautiful webbing and always runs if disturbed. Might just be my thoughts though.. I literally started with both of these species as my first T.
Agreed, I have 2 genics and wouldn't consider either of my specimens as 'great T's for beginners'... way more daunting for others than my GBB I'd imagine. Just my personal experience though, both can work for beginners.
 
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ScorpionEvo687

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they make decent begginer species, C.cyanapeubesens can be quite skitish
Well... sure but A genics get really big really fast and can be defensive/are very food aggressive and illicits way more fear in for example my kids and gf. Vs a the gbb who sits in beautiful webbing and always runs if disturbed. Might just be my thoughts though.. I literally started with both of these species as my first T.
Agreed, I have 2 genics and wouldn't consider either of my specimens as 'great T's for beginners'... way more daunting for others than my GBB I'd imagine. Just my personal experience though, both can work for beginners.
Well, now I'm considering getting a P. cambridgei either an adult female or a few P. cam slings & a P. reduncus sling so hopefully I'll end up with a female which is probably an even worse choice for a beginner, but I really like the thought of owning one lol. Psalmos are often considered good "intermediate" Ts. Serve as a good link between NW & OW.
 

ScorpionEvo687

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Yeah as someone who's considering a Psalmopoeus as a first T a Stromatopelma is still gonna have to be a HARD no lol. A Psalmo or a good "beginner" OW like a C. darlingi/marshalli, H. pulchripes or M. balfouri would be as far as I'd be willing to go.
 

Pyrelitha

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Well, now I'm considering getting a P. cambridgei either an adult female or a few P. cam slings & a P. reduncus sling so hopefully I'll end up with a female which is probably an even worse choice for a beginner, but I really like the thought of owning one lol. Psalmos are often considered good "intermediate" Ts. Serve as a good link between NW & OW.
My P cambridgei is a very quick nuttjob, and shes like 7inches! Truly would have feared her if I started with her I think. Shes so pretty though and ive never had a threat posture while rehoming her. My P irminia is the calmest slowest arboreal T I have. My A avic gave me more rehousing issues lol
 

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When are you planning on getting an invert? I'm sure you will get more than one ( it's quite addictive ha) so why not pick one among those you've considered to gain experience then make your decisions from there.
 

ScorpionEvo687

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My P cambridgei is a very quick nuttjob, and shes like 7inches! Truly would have feared her if I started with her I think. Shes so pretty though and ive never had a threat posture while rehoming her. My P irminia is the calmest slowest arboreal T I have. My A avic gave me more rehousing issues lol
Yeah, that's part of why I'm probably gonna get a few slings. I love the thought of owning an adult female P. cam but idk if I'm ready for that. If I get like 3 or so 1" slings my hope is my experience level will grow w/ them (even though they're fast growers). I inquired about the 6" female P. cam this one dealer I'm looking to buy from has in stock and he said quote "She is average for a cambridgei. Flighty and a bit aggressive if you corner her. If you are wanting smaller ones, I have some 1" cambridgei coming in next Wednesday/Thursday." So, with that being the case, I'll probably go for some smaller ones. It's interesting that you say your P. cam is a "very quick nutjob" and your irminia is "the calmest slowest arboreal T I have" cause from what I've found online it's usually the opposite. P. cambridgei is widely considered a good "introductory Psalmo" and the irminia is typically considered a little more "advanced". Neither one is probably ideal for a beginner vs a slow moving terrestrial NW but I really rather doubt it's the worst option and, as far as arboreals go, they're widely considered to be easier to take care of than Avics. The only Ts I'd rule out for myself as a beginner would be truly nutty OW Ts w/ powerful venom like H. maculata, S. calceatum, OBTs & Pokies and also Ts with advanced care requirements like Theraphosa sp. and T. seladonia (which are also ridiculously expensive).
When are you planning on getting an invert? I'm sure you will get more than one ( it's quite addictive ha) so why not pick one among those you've considered to gain experience then make your decisions from there.
Already have some, or "had" I should say. My DHS died so I'll have to get another, but I still have my Devil Scorpion. I'm gonna get a replacement Desert Hairy when I buy some P. cam slings.
 

Pyrelitha

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Yeah, that's part of why I'm probably gonna get a few slings. I love the thought of owning an adult female P. cam but idk if I'm ready for that. If I get like 3 or so 1" slings my hope is my experience level will grow w/ them (even though they're fast growers). I inquired about the 6" female P. cam this one dealer I'm looking to buy from has in stock and he said quote "She is average for a cambridgei. Flighty and a bit aggressive if you corner her. If you are wanting smaller ones, I have some 1" cambridgei coming in next Wednesday/Thursday." So, with that being the case, I'll probably go for some smaller ones. It's interesting that you say your P. cam is a "very quick nutjob" and your irminia is "the calmest slowest arboreal T I have" cause from what I've found online it's usually the opposite. P. cambridgei is widely considered a good "introductory Psalmo" and the irminia is typically considered a little more "advanced". Neither one is probably ideal for a beginner vs a slow moving terrestrial NW but I really rather doubt it's the worst option and, as far as arboreals go, they're widely considered to be easier to take care of than Avics. The only Ts I'd rule out for myself as a beginner would be truly nutty OW Ts w/ powerful venom like H. maculata, S. calceatum, OBTs & Pokies and also Ts with advanced care requirements like Theraphosa sp. and T. seladonia (which are also ridiculously expensive).
Each T has its own personality and ig they dont all fit the stereotypes. My irminia is a sweetypie that I have so many pictures and videos of her just casually walking even as i open the door to her enclosure.
I also have the G pulchra i was told was a teddy bear species.... she flips on her back to threat pose when i move the enclosure
 

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I want to collect a few scorpions first (they're my favorite invert) but after that I might delve into the tarantula keeping hobby a little. I was originally thinking of getting a centipede or 2 or after getting a few scorpions but have now decided against that for a few reasons. 1. A lot of them are pretty defensive with a nasty bite (kinda like a lot of OW T's) 2. They're notorious escape artists (probably more so than most tarantulas {new world terrestrial anyways} and scorpions) and 3. I live with my parents (though I am an adult) and they're okay w/ the idea of me owning scorpions & tarantulas (though my mom and sister are moderately arachnophobic) but they absolutely HATE the idea of me owning a centipede. With all that out of the way, the 2 tarantulas I am most considering for a first tarantula are the A. geniculata (Brazilian Giant White Knee) and the C. cyaneopubescens (Green Bottle Blue Tarantula). 2 very hardy and very attractive NW terrestrial T's. I'm leaning more towards the Genic cause they get big, are voracious eaters, and are probably less skittish/prone to bolt than something like a GBB. The cons would be that, while likely less skittish than a GBB, they're likely more defensive and I heard the urticating hairs on Genics are pretty bad and, while their venom isn't medically significant, those fangs could definitely cause mechanical damage if you get bit. Also sounds like they require a little more moisture & humidity than a GBB would (which like to be kept bone dry). With the GBBs some of the pros would be that, while both T's are known to be pretty hardy and great for beginners, the GBBs are probably a little more so since they require less humidity and moisture and, while more skittish, they're smaller, less defensive, the urticating hairs are likely less irritating (from my understanding) & the fangs aren't likely large enough to cause mechanical damage as with a Genic. The big con again with the GBBs would probably be their skittishness and tendency to bolt, since they're known to be one of the faster-than-average moving terrestrial NW T's out there, and I suppose the smaller size is both a pro & a con since, while the smaller size & smaller fangs means less of a risk of mechanical damage in the case you get tagged, it also makes for a slightly less impressive display tarantula (minor gripe, I know, and they largely make up for that by being VERY colorful). I'd be more worried about getting bit or hit w/ urticating hairs by the Genic, but I'd be more worried about the tarantula actually escaping it's enclosure during feeding or maintenance with the GBB. So, with all that being said, what do you guys think would make for a better first pet tarantula and why? Also feel free to suggest other NW terrestrial T's that would be suitable for beginners down in the comments if you don't think either a Genic or a GBB would suitable for a first tarantula. Any help or suggestions regarding this matter would be much appreciated. Thanks! 🙂
Why is it only between a gbb or A. geniculata?

Any tarantula can be kept as a first T. The difference is in the keeper's ability in their husbandry from doing correct research, (not facebk, Tom Moran only on youtoob no one else) and of course #1 Arachnoboards. Then there are the scientific sites like 'world spider catalogue', (sorry didn't post link).

You can spend years doing research from reading and watching rehouse videos for example. You won't really know your limits until you're actually doing your husbandry in real life.

Majority of new keepers start off with slings. Those slings grow bigger over time if a keeper practices their husbandry correctly. The next major obstacle for new keepers is when you have an adult tarantula. How is a new keeper going to feel with that?

When you grow a tiny sling to 3 inches dls it's a wonderful experience. When it hits 4 inches dls it's 'whoa that's big'. When it hits 5 inches dls it's 'yeah that's big'. When it hits 6 inches dls me personally went 'now that's a big son of a !@#$% mature male'. This is in regards to nw terestrials.

Now, an A. geniculata, (which I have) has the potential to max out at 8 inches dls. 7 to 8 inches for a nw terrestrial = big honking fangs.

Genics are over-hyperactive prey driven. Mine is calm as hell until it senses the slightest, softest vibration in it's enclosure.

The ferocity of it's feeding response reminds me of the African Bullfrog. It will eat anything and everything including your hand if it is mistakenly too close.

Other than that A. geniculata is a beautiful T. My gbb is nice but is only slightly skittish. My genic has never threat posed me and never kicked bristles either. My gbb never kicked bristles at me but has bit at the side of the enclosure at me. This was due to me passing it's enclosure and it felt slight air movement through it's enclosure's air vents.

If you get one of these T's it doesn't mean it will display the same temperament as mine or others. I will go out on a limb and say most genics have a crazy food drive.

Either way best of luck to you. Hope you find joy in whatever you decide to get.
 
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