Zookeeper DROPS T.blondi - Video

[BlackCat]

I've seen both videos, and I see the difference. What's your point?




I know what you said. You also said "We do not NEED to eat meat." I don't think stopping all consumption of meat has been proven to be very healthy, in the long term. Hence my comment about humans being omnivores.

So, how exactly do I 'fail'?

You're comparing Zoo's to Farms. They just aren't the same.

Actually I'm not comparing them at all, except in the sense that they both deal with people raising animals. Just because it is a farm doesn't give it an exception to the fact that they are killing animals, it is what it is. All I'm saying is, if you think it is ok to raise animals for food as opposed to researching them in captivity, regardless of what species they are, then that, at its core, is hypocritical. And yes, a vegetarian diet can be extremely healthy, the problem is in that a lot of people are too lazy to actually watch what they eat, thus rendering the diet unhealthy. This is not about that though, if there is ever a thread about food, we'll meet again lol.

 

[Ether Imp]

Actually I'm not comparing them at all, except in the sense that they both deal with people raising animals. Just because it is a farm doesn't give it an exception to the fact that they are killing animals, it is what it is. All I'm saying is, if you think it is ok to raise animals for food as opposed to researching them in captivity, regardless of what species they are, then that, at its core, is hypocritical. And yes, a vegetarian diet can be extremely healthy, the problem is in that a lot of people are too lazy to actually watch what they eat, thus rendering the diet unhealthy. This is not about that though, if there is ever a thread about food, we'll meet again lol.

I think I made it clear through earlier posts that I am not categorically against humans raising animals in captivity.

 

[BlackCat]

I think I made it clear through earlier posts that I am not categorically against humans raising animals in captivity.

What I'm mainly referring to is...

I'm happy when wildlife can be saved when human activity has been the cause of whatever problem threatens a species survival. Otherwise, I think we should pretty much leave wildlife alone. An African Elephant doesn't belong in San Diego, Phoenix, Missouri, Las Vegas, New York, Florida, or anywhere else, to entertain ungrateful children and ignorant parents. It belongs in Africa, hence the name. Same goes for the majority of "exotic" wildlife kept in zoos.

Farms are one thing, but zoos are more beneficial than you have suggested, plus anything/everything else I said before this post... *yawns* bed time.

 

[Ether Imp]

What I'm mainly referring to is...

I'm happy when wildlife can be saved when human activity has been the cause of whatever problem threatens a species survival. Otherwise, I think we should pretty much leave wildlife alone. An African Elephant doesn't belong in San Diego, Phoenix, Missouri, Las Vegas, New York, Florida, or anywhere else, to entertain ungrateful children and ignorant parents. It belongs in Africa, hence the name. Same goes for the majority of "exotic" wildlife kept in zoos.

Yes.. Notice how use several qualifiers to explain exactly what I disapprove of. I use words like "exotic", "entertain", "ungrateful", "ignorant", and I use the word "otherwise" to indicate it's circumstantial.

This means that I am mainly uncomfortable with removing certain animals (especially exotic ones) out of their natural habitat for profit* or for the entertainment of idiots. Circuses are bad. Zoo's, not quite as bad, but they still make me uncomfortable to go to.

Honestly it disturbs me to see animals like lions and tigers and bears (oh my!) which normally roam several dozen, hundreds, or even thousands of miles in their natural life caged up. It disturbs me even more when the people there to see these animals do not appreciate their beauty and actually taunt the animals. So maybe it's not zoo's I disapprove of, but some of the idiots who go to zoo's and act a fool, as well as the occasional (and exception, I am sure) zookeeper or zoo employee who abuses/neglects these animals, or seeks to profit off of them somehow rather than properly care for them.


(* - Talken, this is one difference between me keeping a T as a pet and the other option. I am not looking to make a profit and I do my best to properly care for my T.)

As I said in a previous post, it's probably a personal prejudice on my part, and as I've already stated several times I am sure many zookeepers and handlers (and scientists) treat these animals very well and DO have their best interest in mind. It just bothers me when I get the sense that they do not, and after initially watching this video (of the OP), it seemed that was the case. Apparently I was mistaken.

Farms are one thing, but zoos are more beneficial than you have suggested, plus anything/everything else I said before this post... *yawns* bed time.

Food is necessary for survival. Like it or not, cows in America are food, as are chickens. The way they are handled and kept is not exactly what I would call humane. But there's a lot greater (or at the least, equal) injustices in this world.

I suggest you do some research into corn, soy, and other subsidised vegetable crops in America. There's a documentary out (on Hulu I believe) called "The Future of Food". It goes into detail about companies like Monsanto and how they're attempting to monopolize many of the crops in America by genetically modifying the seed and then "accidentally" spreading their seed into organically seeded crops (effectively and irreversibly contaminating those natural crops), then turning around and litigating against the farmers to put them out of business and essentially sieze ownership of their crops because they have a patent on the modified seed.

Meanwhile, corn and corn products (corn syrup for example) are not even very nutritional (and are quite possibly bad for us), and they have absolutely proliferated our diets and are shamelessly hawked off on the oblivious American public.

That said... I hope if you're a vegetarian you eat only food produced from organic vendors.

Sorry for going off on a rant there.

 

[Hedorah99]

Yes, we get it. You're the saviour of all wildlife and you're so much better than everyone with your holier than thou attitude because you do it on a meager salary.

I guess it's not so lonely on your pedestal - what with all those otters, and toucans, and Martha Stewart. If only those animals could see you now, the Zoological Champion taking on the keyboard warriors. Of course, anyone mentioning zoos in any way must be referring to you, because what else is there in your world, right? Nevermind the fact that the person you're quoting is over 2500 miles from you and, contrary to what you would have everyone believe, "your" zoo is not the model which all zoos follow. Not all zoos are lucky enough to be given grants and there are even some zoos which are privately run - but, of course, you already knew all that because, well, you just do.

Such facts are trivial when engaging in chest thumping with a bit of hypocrisy thrown in for good measure.

Maybe I should have clarified. I am talking about accredited institutions, not a road side collection of animals in pens. And since I have worked with people from those as well, its hard to make the statement that the animals are being exploited for profit when you don't even talk to one of the employees. The original poster didn't clarify which zoo he was talking about, yes I am taking offense because he is defacto talking about MY zoo. If he's gonna make a broad statement that includes me in it, he should get his facts straight first.

 

[Hedorah99]

I'm happy when wildlife can be saved when human activity has been the cause of whatever problem threatens a species survival. Otherwise, I think we should pretty much leave wildlife alone. An African Elephant doesn't belong in San Diego, Phoenix, Missouri, Las Vegas, New York, Florida, or anywhere else, to entertain ungrateful children and ignorant parents. It belongs in Africa, hence the name. Same goes for the majority of "exotic" wildlife kept in zoos.

Ok, I have to agree elephants are the odd duck. Their specific care needs are too much for same of the places that have them. Just returning them to the wild is not an option either so making the lives of the ones in captivity more authentic (keeping family units together, providing ample exercise to keep the feet trimmed, etc) is the priority now.

Oh yea, and where are the majority of these animals you want returned going to go. Last I checked, most of their habitats were threatened or they were in danger of going extinct in the wild. Its sad, but there are more tigers in North American Zoos than there are in the wild. Its not from us going an taking them form their habitat, its from habitat encroachment and poaching. They have to have someplace safe to live, and then we'll work on putting them back. Oh yea, we do that as well.[/QUOTE]

So all of those Lions and African Elephants are from captive stock? And where did that captive stock come from? I suppose every animal I've ever seen in a zoo has been either a rehab case or from captive stock? Like.. somehow captive stock is independent and exclusive from "wildlife". Sorry man, I don't buy it. It was all "wildlife" at some point or another.

As far as I know the last lions or tigers taken out of the wild were more than 40 years ago. I could be wrong. But you said they were spending "millions of dollars a year" when its not true. Yes, they had to be wild at one point, but we are not taking aniamals out of the wild every year. If our tiger dies we don't send a hunting team to northern china and korea to fetch a new one. We contact the TAG (Taxonomic Advisory Group) and the SSP (species survival plan) and see if we fit the housing and breeding criteria, and the we get a captive born tiger.

From the way you make things sound, nobody from top to bottom is seeing a profit from the keeping of wild animals. I find that a little hard to believe.

This is a society where you have to make a profit to live, but I have really yet to see the director or curator of a zoo who is swimming in dough.

I don't doubt (nor would I ever contest) that there are thousands, if not millions of zoo employees that are not only extremely educated and care deeply for their animals but also probably underpaid and do it all out of the kindness of their heart. What I do find difficult to swallow is that nobody in the entire industry is seeing significant profits at the expense of other employees down the ladder, as well as the animals themselves.

I'm sure it does happen, once again. I haven't seen it though. By this point I was figuring you were having scotch and Cuban cigars at teh yacht club with the director of the Henry Doorley Zoo or something

Again.. Good for you. I'm happy there are people like you out there to do things that lazy a-holes like myself are unwilling or uninclined to do. I still don't buy that a "razor thin" profit margin is par for the course. Maybe at your zoo. Maybe I'm wrong all together. Either way, somebody is making money and not even most of those animals belong in a zoo/captivity.

See above statement and define your criteria for deserving to be in captivity.

I don't go to the circus either.

Neither do I.

Who abandoned the otters, by the way? Their mothers?

It was the mothers first litter and she couldn't produce enough milk, so we had to intervene. All Are healthy adults now languishing is some dank hole someplace, jeered by uneducated care staff and unsympathetic money bag toting directors.

Well, I personally thank you for the education. From now on I'll be sure to drop my tarantula until it's abdomen ruptures. It's good for them! It helps them release egg sacs! Sorry. I couldn't resist.

Actually they are also sexually aroused by fire, try lighting them up the next time you want to breed them.

No.. So what? Have you ever built a highway? No? Well.. Then next time you're driving on one thinking about how much it stinks, just bite your tongue and accept it. Afterall, it's impossible for you to criticize how well someone does their job if you yourself have not done it. Better yet, next time a server or cook screws up your order at a local restaurant, why don't you just get up off your lazy ass and go cook it yourself instead of complaining or stiffing the waitress? God knows those people don't do it for the money...

Gee... I never looked at it that way...

... Oh wait, yes I did. [/QUOTE]

Trying to figure out how this applies. If my cook screws up an order at a Denny's and I immediately apply this to ALL Denny's, well then maybe. And yes, the people doing the roads and cooking food are doing it for the money. I sure there is the occasional person that thought Bruce Springstein's Working on the Highway rocked or is turned on by a greasy grill, but not a lot of people are trapped yearly in the clutches of professional animal care because no other jobs were available.

Are you targetting me and including me in this statement? Maybe if you pulled your head from your latter region and actually read my post you would see that I am not crucifying or blaming the handler from the video. I actually blamed the zoo's themselves, and I said the guy handled the situation wrong. Which you just agreed with. In my post I also agreed with the poster above me who was speaking up in the handlers defense.

What I said must have really struck a chord with you because there were no less than 2.5 pages of posts before me condemning this handler and lashing out over the incident. All I did was looked at it from another perspective and posted my thoughts, as well as gave the handler the benefit of the doubt... And out of all the people posting criticism and getting ready to go straight 'witch hunt' on this guy, you chose me? Good call, buckaroo.

Yes, I am targeting you. You stuck your head up your butt by making a bunch of statements about zoos that were not true. The various "kick his face in" statements were pretty laughable considering the majority of those people wouldn't say more than an incoherent mumble if they could confront the guy. But you jumped up and attacked a series of institutions that you know nothing of the inner workings of, questioned their motives, and then act shocked when someone from one of those organizations talks back. And, you're welcome there Pilgrim.

Sorry.. Seeing an animal nearly killed for the sake of early morning local news "entertainment" in the name of "education" tends to be a little disturbing.

Yes, and so do I. But it was an accident.

Yes. I'm sure transporting animals safely is not easy. Which is why more time, training and money should be dedicated to ensuring that mistakes like those shown in this video simply do not happen. That was the entire point of my original post and apparently it went directly over your head.

Your point is taken. We will start the training of a master race of animal husbandry professionals devoid of mistakes and immune to the rules of gravity.

I'm sorry. I don't remember saying your name or directing any specific comment to you in my original post. Probably because it never happened. Personally, I'm not sure whether to be sad or happy that zoo's hire people who can't read.

You said something about my field, you didn't have to mention my name or my facilities name. You said "Zoos" and that was enough for me. I should have been more specific in my initial response and meant AZA accredited and USDA inspected institutions. But your blanket statement included those as well.

PS/Edit: Don't think I ever stated anything in my post was "factual" either. More observation/opinion/logical induction based.

Wow, if I read this gem first I could have saved myself some time. It would have saved me some time...

 

[Sathane]

I do agree with your first paragraph, somewhat. The only thing I'd like to add to that is that, using the African Elephant as an example, the climate over here is very different to what they are used to. Temperatures here rarely get as high as they do on some summer days in Africa. Also, in North America these animals need to be wintered which is completely different from their care in the wild. That's about it. No real complaint on how the zoos care for them as they still live long lives, however, an sufficiently educational exhibit could easily be built that could give all the information you require on these animal without actually having one. The exhibit would be much much smaller and would cost much less to maintain.

As wrong as I think it is for animals like elephants to be kept in zoos, and as much as they may not belong there, zoos actually put a lot of time and money into research and preservation of the wild species they keep. They are there not as mere novelty, but as an educational tool. It is a double-edged sword, and a sacrifice for the greater good.

An elephant is not generally seen as a food item in North America. There is absolutely no real purpose for it to be here other than people's greed. That being said, the ones that are here now can't exactly be just dropped back into Africa either. As stated above, a sufficient display could be made without actually having the animal there. This would go a long way to boosting the zoo's profits since I'm sure maintaining an elephant is quite costly. Saying we can't complain about keeping elephants because we eat cows makes absolutely no sense. Kind of like if I said that there is no way you care about your Ts because you kill mosquitos.

Also, why exactly do vegans have the priviledge of not liking the fact the certain animals are taken completely out of their element for the entertainment of humans but others "have no room to complain"? What makes them the guardians of the animal kingdom? Firstly, vegetarians and vegans are two different types of people. Vegetarians are normally those that choose not to eat meat for the health benefits they perceive while "vegans" tends to be the more vocal/activist types trying to impose their will on others.
In my experience, and yes I have plenty as I used to be a personal trainer and have come across many of these people, the huge majority of vegans you see out there (especially those that make it a point to have you know they are vegan) are in it because they want to be controvertial and "edgy". The vegan lifestyle means they are not to use anything that was produced using animals or animal labour. This is why I can't help but laugh out loud when I get some "vegan" preaching to me about eating meat while they stand there wearing leather running shoes and a cotton t-shirt.

Oh, and while they spit at you for keeping a pet cat or "enslaving" a bull to work on a farm - while wearing their Nikes - they are completely indifferent to the fact that their shoes were made by an child in a sweatshop somewhere in Indonesia.

I don't understand how people can think it is wrong to keep animals in captivity, such as in zoos where they are well cared for, then turn around and think it is ok to raise cattle for slaughter, and breed them for milk and veal. :? Unless you're a vegetarian, do you really have room to complain about zoos?

 

[Ether Imp]

Ok, I have to agree elephants are the odd duck. Their specific care needs are too much for same of the places that have them. Just returning them to the wild is not an option either so making the lives of the ones in captivity more authentic (keeping family units together, providing ample exercise to keep the feet trimmed, etc) is the priority now.

Oh yea, and where are the majority of these animals you want returned going to go. Last I checked, most of their habitats were threatened or they were in danger of going extinct in the wild. Its sad, but there are more tigers in North American Zoos than there are in the wild. Its not from us going an taking them form their habitat, its from habitat encroachment and poaching. They have to have someplace safe to live, and then we'll work on putting them back. Oh yea, we do that as well.

As far as I know the last lions or tigers taken out of the wild were more than 40 years ago. I could be wrong. But you said they were spending "millions of dollars a year" when its not true. Yes, they had to be wild at one point, but we are not taking aniamals out of the wild every year. If our tiger dies we don't send a hunting team to northern china and korea to fetch a new one. We contact the TAG (Taxonomic Advisory Group) and the SSP (species survival plan) and see if we fit the housing and breeding criteria, and the we get a captive born tiger.


This is a society where you have to make a profit to live, but I have really yet to see the director or curator of a zoo who is swimming in dough.


I'm sure it does happen, once again. I haven't seen it though. By this point I was figuring you were having scotch and Cuban cigars at teh yacht club with the director of the Henry Doorley Zoo or something

Points taken. Thank you for your honest and informative response.

It was the mothers first litter and she couldn't produce enough milk, so we had to intervene. All Are healthy adults now languishing is some dank hole someplace, jeered by uneducated care staff and unsympathetic money bag toting directors.

I had to laugh at this. Nice use of sarcasm.

Actually they are also sexually aroused by fire, try lighting them up the next time you want to breed them.

And this too.. Out loud.

Trying to figure out how this applies. If my cook screws up an order at a Denny's and I immediately apply this to ALL Denny's, well then maybe. And yes, the people doing the roads and cooking food are doing it for the money. I sure there is the occasional person that thought Bruce Springstein's Working on the Highway rocked or is turned on by a greasy grill, but not a lot of people are trapped yearly in the clutches of professional animal care because no other jobs were available.

My point here was that just because I have never done a TV spot or worked in a zoo does not mean I don't have the right to be disgusted by something I see at a zoo (or from a zoo employee). This is America, after all.. Home of the whiners, land of the lawsuit.. Or something like that.

After all, so many people on these very forums were disturbed by the video, that they bombarded the ZooKeeper with emails and got a good response because of it. Obviously, they had the same initial reaction I did:

"How the hell does this guy have his job?!"

Granted, in the end, we have all come to find out that he simply made a very human mistake, and he's not as bad of a guy as we all got the impression of from watching the video.

Yes, I am targeting you. You stuck your head up your butt by making a bunch of statements about zoos that were not true.

And I stand corrected. Again, my response was my initial reaction to a video that did not sit well with almost anyone. I simply blamed the institution rather than the individual, which is what others did.

The various "kick his face in" statements were pretty laughable considering the majority of those people wouldn't say more than an incoherent mumble if they could confront the guy. But you jumped up and attacked a series of institutions that you know nothing of the inner workings of, questioned their motives, and then act shocked when someone from one of those organizations talks back. And, you're welcome there Pilgrim.

Of course I questioned their motives. I think that's a natural and healthy thing to do. I questioned their motives just like the regulars and long time members of this board did when they sent out emails to confront this guy. And, guess what? I got a good response (from you), and so did they (from him). Now we're all a little more informed.

However, I don't like being lumped in with the [sic] keyboard warriors who talked about kicking this guys face in, etc.

Your point is taken. We will start the training of a master race of animal husbandry professionals devoid of mistakes and immune to the rules of gravity.

If I make food at a restaurant and someone gets sick and dies, I could lose my job and be liable for damages.

If am responsible for ensuring a bridge is secure and safe to cross, and it ends up collapsing and/or injuring/killing people, it could result in litigation or even prison time.

These are both examples of mistakes. Yes, we're all human. Yes, we all make mistakes. But, in the end, we have to take responsibility for them. That said, I appreciate the email response I read in this thread (a page or two back) from the keeper and it sounds like he is aware of his mistake and I'm glad it didn't have to result in him losing his job... Admittedly, while watching the video I felt differently.

You said something about my field, you didn't have to mention my name or my facilities name. You said "Zoos" and that was enough for me. I should have been more specific in my initial response and meant AZA accredited and USDA inspected institutions. But your blanket statement included those as well.

Wow, if I read this gem first I could have saved myself some time. It would have saved me some time...

You took the post personally, and I understand why.

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

My goodness, I've learned a lot from this thread. I'm glad that I came back to check it. Sure we all make mistakes! I've been guilty of it, I'm sure we all have.
I think that we tend to get lost in this kind of thing because we are a 'special' group of people. We are in the severe minority, yet we have found this HUGE internet community crammed full of people that share our passion. It tends to perpetuate the mindset that everyone who works with exotic animals should be well versed in tarantula care and husbandry. The fact is, they just aren't!
This just hit me like a ton of bricks BTW, I realize that I made a negative comment at the beginning of this thread. It gives me something to mull over anyway.

 

[Sathane]

Ah.. Very well put. I guess we do hold everyone else at a higher standard then we should due to our own experiences.

Thank you for that.

I think that we tend to get lost in this kind of thing because we are a 'special' group of people. We are in the severe minority, yet we have found this HUGE internet community crammed full of people that share our passion. It tends to perpetuate the mindset that everyone who works with exotic animals should be well versed in tarantula care and husbandry. The fact is, they just aren't!

 

[Dave]

Hey, did anyone else notice the size of the ulcer the zookeeper got when he made his big mistake? That thing was HUGE!

Poor guy. At first I was mad at him, but then I felt very, very bad for him.
I've got to hand it to him, the show went on and he saved face for Metrozoo.

BTW, Sathane, I thought your sarcasm was funny! Well actually your sarcasm and the responses added to it. Like slapstick! lol

 

[Roski]

My goodness, I've learned a lot from this thread. I'm glad that I came back to check it. Sure we all make mistakes! I've been guilty of it, I'm sure we all have.
I think that we tend to get lost in this kind of thing because we are a 'special' group of people. We are in the severe minority, yet we have found this HUGE internet community crammed full of people that share our passion. It tends to perpetuate the mindset that everyone who works with exotic animals should be well versed in tarantula care and husbandry. The fact is, they just aren't!
This just hit me like a ton of bricks BTW, I realize that I made a negative comment at the beginning of this thread. It gives me something to mull over anyway.

ditto on the learning, this was one intense thread, just when i was starting to think it was going to die down after the apology and explanation letter was posted!

also, very well put. i've always felt that logging on to AB was like entering a different world, but i never thought for a second that it in fact WAS a different world. we ARE our own community, and we ARE severely diluted when stepping into the general population. and for that reason, every time we see ignorance expressed by someone who is not a devoted expert in our exotic & unusual hobby (which is 99% of people), we are unforgivably outraged.

i don't see the ulcer- i watched the vid over again- at what time in the vid can the frames with this ulcer be seen?

ugh. that woman. and the way she laughed afterward like she had just said something extremely witty.

hey did i mention yet that i hate what that woman said?

 

[Dave]

i don't see the ulcer- i watched the vid over again- at what time in the vid can the frames with this ulcer be seen?

Sathane! Help! Nobody gets my sarcasm either!
(You can't really see the ulcer- I'm sympathizing with how he must have felt.)

 

[Roski]

Sathane! Help! Nobody gets my sarcasm either!
(You can't really see the ulcer- I'm sympathizing with how he must have felt.)

WHOOSH! there it goes!

 

[mitchnast]

now that I've read his apology, I feel hasty in calling him a buffoon.
I thought it rather poor to be leveling an unfocused generalization of amature tarantula culture as "unfortunate", after displaying a gross mishandling, and greivous subsequent trauma. Hastly disguised to the uneducated masses as an exciting and rare event (eggs!).

It's tricky to see the reality to this perfect storm of events when you're shaking your head, biting your tounge, and trying to pretend you diddn't see it.

It is a sobering reminder, that under the unblinking eye of spectacle, In the spotlight, we are all one pie away from being clowns.

Here we might drop a T in the privacy of our own home, and the story goes however we like, our peers lament our loss, not our lackings. In the end, we might even have wisdom.

But in the spotlight, a story is written every second, and we don't get the opportunity to remember our mistakes favorably. We see our mistakes, like our pride, exposed like a vunerable underbelly, evicerated and drawn out.
it's not guts of pride, it's liccorice and ravioli, see see?! moving right along......

Really, I guess my knee-jerk reaction was empathetic in a way. I felt his shame, and saw his clumbsyness, I got that feeling of self-disgust that I might ever disgrace myself so, and so, I dismissed him as a buffoon.
That is cowardly.
I beleive those who have the most fear are the bravest. It is those who disengage from the anxiety we feel, who escape by holding themselves beyond a spotlight, and beyond peer and self scrutiny, whom most excersize cowardice.


Perhaps this fellow, in good conscience, should be treated with the same sympathy we would express for those close enough in ego to ourselves, to be considered peers. For maybe peerlessness, for all it's exultation, is simply cowardice, disguised as stregnth. Maybe, we all hold ourselves peerless untill we fail. Maybe a crushing blow of humility is a blessing that we should be so lucky to realize before we suffer it.

Look around yourself with anxiety as a compass, and im sure you'll appreciate how easily you could become a buffoon for all to judge. And what would a lost facade cost versus value? How do you measure virtue and falseness?
Seems irrational to try, yet, without consideration, we all become adept.

 

[Pacmaster]

Again that is my opinion, but before I start mailing the guy a bunch of hate e-mails about how stupid he is, I'll calm down and think about all of the times I've accidentally dropped a spider or did something worse myself.
~Cody

Thankyou Cody.

I mean really people, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone . . . "
(no Im no religious nut, but it fits)

I think some people around here have Guilty Conscience, and cover it up with an arrogant, "holier than thou" attitude.

We have all messed up at one time or another, we just dont usually have LIVE TV cameras focused on us.

Pathetic, this whole entire re-thread should be deleted.

If I was Scott or Debbie, Id be embarrassed to have my website affiliated in any way with any of the hate mail you guys sent.

And then, even after he mans up and admits his mistakes 2x, some noob members are gonna keep the arguements alive by changing it to a cb/wc issue- checkout my sig!
Grow the F up.

 

[mitchnast]

nah, don't delete it, let us be the buffons who screw up in the spotlight for once.

 

[Sathane]

LOL. We should start a club!

It's all good though. When people don't get your sarcasm it opens up the possibility to respond with even more sarcasm.

Oh, and Roski, he's messing with you. You can see the ulcer around 3:32 about mid-screen on the left side. Pay attention though because it's fast and you might miss it.

Sathane! Help! Nobody gets my sarcasm either!
(You can't really see the ulcer- I'm sympathizing with how he must have felt.)

 

[Sathane]

I mean really people, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone . . . "
(no Im no religious nut, but it fits)

PoW! Did I hit you with that one? I just got home from confession so I am now technically "without sin".

We have all messed up at one time or another, we just dont usually have LIVE TV cameras focused on us.

Speak for yourself. I never mess up. I just sometimes do things that are opposite to the generally accepted way to do them correctly.

Pathetic, this whole entire re-thread should be deleted.

Nooooo! This is just starting to get fun.

If I was Scott or Debbie, Id be embarrassed to have my website affiliated in any way with any of the hate mail you guys sent.

And then, even after he mans up and admits his mistakes 2x, some noob members are gonna keep the arguements alive by changing it to a cb/wc issue- checkout my sig!
Grow the F up.

I guess that's just the penalty for messing up in front of a global audience on a site that doesn't remove dated material. Someone will see it and assume it happened yesterday - starting the whole fiasco all over again - forever. Just imagine how bad this would be for the poor guy had this been on YouTube.

 

[Roski]

Oh, and Roski, he's messing with you. You can see the ulcer around 3:32 about mid-screen on the left side. Pay attention though because it's fast and you might miss it.

o rly? wow thanks so much! *replays the video for the next 6 hrs, watching for the ulcer before driving to your house with a dozen rolls of toilet paper*

Just imagine how bad this would be for the poor guy had this been on YouTube.

You shouldn't have said that- now some disgruntled arachnophile is gonna rip the vid and put it on youtube with this guy's contact info in the side bar, then voice-over his speech with comments like "i love hitler and drive 5 hummers."