Your Fav. "true spider"

USMuscle9403

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Is anyone familiar with Filistata ? Anyways, they are probably some of my favorite local true spiders. For anyone that lives in the south, you will know what I'm talking about. They are those big dark brown/black spiders that build the funnel-type retreats in and around old abandoned buildings. When they're seen up close, they look as though they are covered in crushed velvet. They range from light to dark brown to almost black and have these creepy (but pretty cool) looking eyes that shine. They're very docile spiders, and their fangs are so tiny that I'm not sure that they would even bite. OK, correction, I actually HAVE been bitten. It was so insignificant that I'm wasting time writing about it, LOL. I felt a very small pinch...that was it. Adult males are something else, if you didn't know any better you'd think you were looking at a very large recluse. They are a light straw to brown color, are VERY leggy, and even have a violin-shaped area on their c'thorax. They have EXTREMELY long pedipalps as adult males. I've experimented with keeping these animals over the years and have realized a few things...

1. Spiderlings are very easy to care for if you supply a funnel type retreat they can spin their webs in (a small piece of tightly rolled up toilet paper roll), whereas wild-caught adults are not so easy. They will spin random silk around a cage, but they are hesitant to build any type of retreat and obviously they will not accept food at that time.

2. When they DO build a retreat, they'll eat anything and everything. They must be pretty damn strong, because I've seen a sub-adult catch a fully grown cockroach in her web before and she bit onto a leg, held on, and drug it into her lair. That's what they do with prey, they just bite onto a leg or something and drag it back into their hide.

3. They're somewhat fast and flighty but are very docile otherwise. Their fangs are very tiny, especially for being such a big spider (I have had females up to 4" legspan).

4. Easy to breed. Male will sometimes even hang around the web for a while.

5. Fun to watch because if you so much as run a pencil across their 'trip wires' they run out and will sometimes attack the object :D

If you guys are interested, I may get back into collecting/breeding them and may offer them for sale for people that don't have them in their area. They'll be inexpensive as they are fairly common.
 
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Wade

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They are really cool spiders, I'd be interested in some if you breed them again. I think they may occur here in VA but I've never seen any of the big ones. The genus name has changed to Kukulcania, btw. Very recently, I think.

Wade
 

JJJoshua

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Wow, I love your pics Adnan.

I would add to my list above the Portia spider. Smartest spider in the world.
 

USMuscle9403

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Wade said:
They are really cool spiders, I'd be interested in some if you breed them again. I think they may occur here in VA but I've never seen any of the big ones. The genus name has changed to Kukulcania, btw. Very recently, I think.

Wade
Thanks for the correction :) I ran a search and was surprised to find just how many links there were on these spiders on this site. Apparently I am not even the only one offering them for sale, Malhavoc is as well. However, something he said about them struck me as interesting and is the polar opposite from my own personal experience with the species. He said that their aggression rivals Haplopelma and that they have a great threat display. Well, in my few years of keeping them I have never had any even show any aggression at all, much less show off a threat display. In fact, I sometimes even collect them with my bare hands, they are THAT docile. He said that it was Kukulcania hibernalis, maybe temperament varies with range? The ones that I have are very docile. Quick, but docile.

He DOES seem to have the same problem with adults that I do though. Few wild collected adults that I've ever kept built an actual retreat. You can replicate their surroundings all you want, but you're lucky to get one to spin. They will lay random silk around their enclosure, but they will refuse food *obviously* and water and will damn near starve themselves. If they start getting too skinny, I'll release them (into my house, yup, my house, LOL) and a few days later I'll find that same spider has spun a web in a crevice or hole somewhere. Strange indeed. This is a big reason why I'll only offer slings and juveniles, as they are not nearly as difficult. I may offer wild-caught adults as well, but buy them at your own risk as they are pretty difficult. Established adults are easy though.
 

JJJoshua

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Do captive bred adults spin retreats, or are the WC ones the only ones that don't?
 

USMuscle9403

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Yea pretty much. The ones that I've raised into adults from spiderlings do just fine.
 

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Adnan said:
Phoneutria nigriventer! :D
Sorry dude, one of the most ugliest is that *grin*

All widows are nice though i have one ugly C.salei sling by myself. Maybe it wont grow till adult.
 

USMuscle9403

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For Wade and anyone else that is interested in K. hibernalis.

OK, while collecting today I witnessed the strangest thing with this species. Remember how I said these spiders refuse to eat without a retreat and that adults are hard to establish if WC? OK well with collecting in the past, I have never noticed these spiders to show any kind of aggression towards each other. They'd never bite each other, nothing. If I placed them in the same deli cup when collecting they'd just all huddle together on top of/near each other. I collected mostly slings and a sub-adult. Next thing I look in the deli cup and the sub-adult has a smaller one pinned down biting it. I thought this was so strange because a) this is a web-building spider that's eating as though it weren't, and b) have never witnessed canabalism with this species. Then I noticed ALL of the spiders running around freely and the smaller one was no longer in the mouth of the sub-adult. It was running around as though nothing happened. Then, the sub-adult walked up behind the same spider it was eating earlier, grabbed it in it's fangs again as though it were picking up something on the ground and then when an even smaller sling came up from behind the sub-adult started wrapping it with silk. I stopped that though, and now only the earlier juvie that was the original victim is lost to the larger spider. It's eating the other spider now, no web no nothing. Is acting very defensively towards all other spiders that even come in the vicinity. Definitely interesting :confused:
 
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