Yet another Theraphosa "sp" thread

[Fran]

It is YOU that abides by different rules. Please tell me, what is YOUR definition of a species then for tarantulas, since you obviously don't agree with the universally accepted species concepts that I have previously discussed. You have to have some kind of rule or definition for a species of tarantula. .or do you just change the definition to match whatever you fancy labeling them?

We are all the same sp.Tarantulas, us, any animal.
The same.
In the end, we are live organisms , right?
In fact since everything seems to come from the same singularity,everything in the universe must be the same.Only variations, but the same in fact.

PS: I have always suspected it since everybody says that I look like a refrigerator.

 

[Crows Arachnids]

None of my replies are "praddle," whatever that is lol. I just describe time after time why you are wrong, supplemented with evidence which you can freely research yourself. You are running in circles, I agree, and this isn't really going anywhere for you. I'm sure a few others were able to get something out of this thread other than you though, so it evens out

And let's get this straight. If anyone is "rectifying the hobby" it is you. YOU are making the change by labeling them as separate. They are currently considered the same officially, remember? They have been considered one species this whole time, up until recently. So YOU are the one "rectifying," not me. I'm sure you will repeat this though as if you never read it in your next reply. . .:wall:

Times passed amounts to nothing. Everything is a learning experience, if they were the 'same' in the past, and are being counted as different now, that just sheds light on the beauty that is taxonomy and furthered understanding. Let's get this straight, you have NEVER proven me wrong, nor have you EVER provided plausible retort. Praddle, you aren't sure what it means? I find that amazing as you are ever so intelligent, your sarcasm does not befit you. I do not seek to rectify the taxonomy, I am the one who is sitting back letting the professionals handle it, I merely take the same stand you do, I am just stating what I belive in, not a good comparison however as you have very little ground to stand on. Also, making a change does not, in any realm, insist one seeks to rectify the hobby in this situation, that was a deplorable leap. If I'm running in circles, you are in a coma, come on, anyone and everyone can read what was discussed between you and I, here and in the other thread, you only dug a hole for yourself, and now it's getting deeper. I hope you like the taste of your shoe, my mysterious paradox.

 

[The Mack]

I don't know about over there in the USA, but over here in the UK and England they are known as a separate species???

You can be wherever you want and call them whatever you want, that doesn't change their scientific status as being a single species.

We also call poodles poodles and pitbulls pitbulls but does that make them scientifically different species? Of course not. . .

 

[PhobeToPhile]

They are currently considered the same officially, remember? They have been considered one species this whole time, up until recently.

Err...technically, at the moment, T. sp "Burgundy" is actually a Lasiodora due to being originally labeled as such over 100 years ago, and that is what they have been considered since then. It's not that T. sp. "Burgundy" popped out of nowhere, it's just it's being recategorized into theraphosa.

 

[The Mack]

We are all the same sp.Tarantulas, us, any animal.
The same.
In the end, we are live organisms , right?
In fact since everything seems to come from the same singularity,everything in the universe must be the same.Only variations, but the same in fact.

PS: I have always suspected it since everybody says that I look like a refrigerator.

Um, no everything is not the same. There is no question that a giraffe is a different species than a mouse. They don't look alike and would never mate in nature. Agreed? Agreed. But these spiders. . .they look alike, live in the same parts of the world and have very likely mated in nature. Therefore, you can't sit here and be so sure that they are different species. And yes, you do look like a refrigerator. You could probably pop my head like a grape lol.

 

[mcluskyisms]

You can be wherever you want and call them whatever you want, that doesn't change their scientific status as being a single species.

We also call poodles poodles and pitbulls pitbulls but does that make them scientifically different species? Of course not. . .

They are a different species though.....

Everyone has finally learnt to accept it, why cant you?

Whats your problem? I seriously think that maybe you have bought a Theraphosa blondi and upon all the information available right now on various forums and the internet you've actually discovered it is in fact a Theraphosa sp. "Burgundy" and therefore cant get over it?

Your hurting yeah? "How can I make such a mistake when I think I know so much etc, am I wrong? I cant accept that I am wrong or even more so proven wrong....."

You must live in a tiny little world with a very close knit small friend base that en-compromises only you.

The only person your cheating is yourself, wake up.

 

[The Mack]

Err...technically, at the moment, T. sp "Burgundy" is actually a Lasiodora due to being originally labeled as such over 100 years ago, and that is what they have been considered since then. It's not that T. sp. "Burgundy" popped out of nowhere, it's just it's being recategorized into theraphosa.

No, they haven't been considered since then, and I made this point in a previous thread. I begged that very question, why then haven't we seen "L. spinipes" on the market ever? I'm willing to bet because the specimens being collected fit the T. blondi label very easily and they still do to this day.

Who even came up with the label "burgundy" and on what grounds?

If it was documented over 100 years ago, then why hasn't it been thought this whole time that these brown spiders were L. spinipes? Was this "knowledge" just lost? This doesn't make sense. . .

 

[mcluskyisms]

No, they haven't been considered since then, and I made this point in a previous thread. I begged that very question, why then haven't we seen "L. spinipes" on the market ever? I'm willing to bet because the specimens being collected fit the T. blondi label very easily and they still do to this day.

Because people like you wouldnt accept that over 50% of the Theraphosa blondi market was in fact Theraphosa sp. "Burgundy"......

I swear to god that you have to be the utmost most annoying person I have ever crossed paths with be it in real life or the internet, you are a troll.

 

[The Mack]

They are a different species though.....

Everyone has finally learnt to accept it, why cant you?

Whats your problem? I seriously think that maybe you have bought a Theraphosa blondi and upon all the information available right now on various forums and the internet you've actually discovered it is in fact a Theraphosa sp. "Burgundy" and therefore cant get over it?

Your hurting yeah? "How can I make such a mistake when I think I know so much etc, am I wrong? I cant accept that I am wrong or even more so proven wrong....."

You must live in a tiny little world with a very close knit small friend base that en-compromises only you.

The only person your cheating is yourself, wake up.

You are drawing big assumptions about me with very little evidence to support, you are going on your false intuitions, much like you are doing with this very topic: ignoring the obvious scientific evidence and driving your personal beliefs hard with fallacy after fallacy. The best part about it all is that you don't even know exactly what this paper is going to say yet, but you are so sure that it is going to have all the evidence you need. You are just eager to call these spiders different species, for whatever reasons, I can sense it. My interest in this topic is purely from a scientific standpoint, I think it is important not to abuse taxonomy by leaving it up to a single person or paper like you are doing here I will admit that. You are silly to think that I am motivated by feeling cheated out of my tarantula because its not a "pure blondi." LOL please, you couldn't even tell the "difference" if you tried. No matter how good it makes you feel to label them as whatever you want, they are still one species. And an awesome species at that.

 

[pouchedrat]

Considering the number of tarantulas that aren't in the hobby currently and have certainly never been seen by most hobbyists, and don't even have photos that are readily accessible to public, how can you even argue that? It's a species that popped up years back, was mislabeled by dealers and hobbyists early on, and has stayed that way ever since. The vast majority of them are imported wild caught. Who's to say what these locals are grabbing and sending off to us? And some species not requested are regularly shipped off as well in imports.

Quite honestly, I can tell the difference between the Theraphosa species better than I can with most Aphonopelma and Avicularia... and those are often cross-bred and hybridized

I think most people who argue it are those who bought a T. "blondi" and don't want to be told they paid money for something that isn't what it was, since there's some sort of macho man thing that goes with owning a true T. blondi, like owning a pit bull.

 

[PhobeToPhile]

Maybe just no one looked into it. Things do get buried and forgotten, you know. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happened. Seem to recall it happening with other animals/plants, but it was quite a while. And the hobby didn't get really started as I understand it until long after the species was described.

As to why we haven't seen them marketed as L. spinipes...is because when you look at the spider it is a Theraphosa, not a Lasiodora. It was improperly categorized, so when it ended up introduced to the hobby people called it Theraphosa sp. "burgundy" to distinguish it from the blondi and apophysis. That's my guess as to what happened. Either way, there is a spider from the Lasiodora genus (Lasiodora spinipes) that is being moved to the Theraphosa genus.

 

[The Mack]

Because people like you wouldnt accept that over 50% of the Theraphosa blondi market was in fact Theraphosa sp. "Burgundy"......

I swear to god that you have to be the utmost most annoying person I have ever crossed paths with be it in real life or the internet, you are a troll.

How do "people like me" have any influence whatsoever on the status of the official documentation of the taxonomy of these spiders? I am asking, if these spiders were labeled as L. spinipes long ago, then why haven't they been labeled as such ever since? You claimed that they have been, and i pointed out that you were wrong. At what point did the name L. spinipes cease to be used to describe these big brown spiders? I am asking rhetorically because I know you don't have the answer. . you don't know either, just like you don't know for sure about any of this, you can't even tell me what defines a species of tarantula!

 

[Terry D]

No matter how good it makes you feel to label them as whatever you want, they are still one species. And an awesome species at that.

Famous last words!

 

[mcluskyisms]

You are drawing big assumptions about me with very little evidence to support

Nah you are a troll

you are going on your false intuitions, much like you are doing with this very topic: ignoring the obvious scientific evidence and driving your personal beliefs hard with fallacy after fallacy.

You actually just described yourself

The best part about it all is that you don't even know exactly what this paper is going to say yet, but you are so sure that it is going to have all the evidence you need.

The abstract already released says eveything that we have been trying to tell you....

You are just eager to call these spiders different species, for whatever reasons, I can sense it. My interest in this topic is purely from a scientific standpoint

Then as a so called scientist why can you accept a proper scientists work?

I think it is important not to abuse taxonomy by leaving it up to a single person or paper like you are doing here I will admit that. You are silly to think that I am motivated by feeling cheated out of my tarantula because its not a "pure blondi." LOL please, you couldn't even tell the "difference" if you tried. No matter how good it makes you feel to label them as whatever you want, they are still one species. And an awesome species at that.

This is the actual underlying factor, you bought a Theraphosa sp. "burgundy" and you cant accept its not a Theraphosa blondi

In the immortal words of Cartman, Laaaaaaaaaame.

 

[PhobeToPhile]

I think he is waiting for the paper to be properly released and reviewed before accepting its findings, as I vaguely recall from the last thread. Not sure about that though.

 

[The Mack]

Nah you are a troll



You actually just described yourself



The abstract already released says eveything that we have been trying to tell you....



Then as a so called scientist why can you accept a proper scientists work?



This is the actual underlying factor, you bought a Theraphosa sp. "burgundy" and you cant accept its not a Theraphosa blondi

In the immortal words of Cartman, Laaaaaaaaaame.

Your ignorance astounds me, but your childish antics don't surprise me at all. Trust me, I have no emotion invested in this matter, unlike you and others here I make my judgments based on only evidence and nothing else. I am certainly not the type of ignoramus who gives two chicken turds about how macho I am with my "pure blondi" LOL! Call it a big brown spider for all I care, or a sp burgundy or a blondi, call it whatever you want, it is still a member of the same species as all these other brown spiders in question.

But yeah, I'm done with you also. I don't think you are able to pick up much more from this thread other than a few childish kicks.

 

[mcluskyisms]

But yeah, I'm done with you also. I don't think you are able to pick up much more from this thread other than a few childish kicks.

You were owned, only because your so tunnel visioned

Night night

 

[Fran]

: )

 

[mcluskyisms]

Exactly

 

[pouchedrat]

most tarantulas look alike though... I guess we should just label them all the same *shrug*.

it's just a big brown fuzzy spider and people shouldn't care that they're not the same species. I mean, hell, tigers and lions can cross-breed, as can most all cat species. They're ALL just cats! Who cares? just different colors and variations and different localities of a big cat. In the end it's just a large cat and should be classified as the same.