Wooly Mammoth blood found, fueling hopes of cloning the Ice Age animal

[The Snark]

Staring vaguely in the general direction of the American mid west... Considering some of the ongoing procreation today, and lack of chlorine in the gene pool, wandering antiquated pachyderms are the least of our worries.

 

[Malhavoc's]

That was an interesting article! thanks for the link A very good read.

I do not know if the want or intentions of this is wrong in anyway, in truth as per the article they are not actually recreating or reviving any of the dead species, rather using genetic manipulation to recreate it from a cousin, or to make a cousin look and act like it, We are all for the progression of modern science, this is just one of the many gateways to understanding the building blocks of life.

 

[viper69]

This writer is irresponsible there is no true cloning going on. Novak sounds like the Rainman of the Passenger Pigeon too. The Fields Musuem prob gave him a sample because they were tired of hearing from him. And the MAGE inventor is irresponsible too all he wants is an elephant that can tolerate cooler temps--another example of arrogant scientists that make the rest in the scientific enterprise look bad in the public's eye.

 

[The Snark]

Alrighty then. It's time I weigh in here with some serious incoherence. The dialogues at the beginning of Yerassick Park movie, pros and cons of cloning, are taken from real life, albeit twisted and garbled. Worth a rewatch. I heard those arguments over and over while working at Cal Tech in the life sciences department. The usual. Over zealous scientists not observing the disciplines as they attempt to take quantum leaps backwards and sideways. And of course, the Monsanto<TM> Imperative, PROFITS RULE! After all. $$$Money$$$ make$ the $cience go around - and buys the centrifuges.

Since I can be a top flight professional duhhhhh expert, I've sat on the side lines for years regarding this topic with a pretty objective point of view. Say they manage to clone a mammoth. So what? Or some velocoraptors. And say a long gone virus gets into the works that no immune system today has a clue how to resist. All sorts of tasty delicious horror scenarios. Love it. Bring it on!

Pretty rectal attitude, eh wot? Not really. The rectal attitude is in thinking homo sapien is the end all be all of the planet. We may, with enough twisted wanderings and billions of dollars manage to crank out a complete long gone gene sequence. Maybe. Meanwhile Mom Nature cranks out a few trillion each and every day. Naw. Quadrillion. Quintillion. Nope. Too restrictive. Make that every few seconds.

The big big BIG HUGE concern is cranking out something that prekludes the continued existence of human beings. Mom Nature isn't anywhere near that selfish and self centered. Critters come and critters go, including the erectoid opposable thumbs crowd. The dance of life is infinite. Our tinkering with a few gene sequences probably won't even crank out a self respecting genetic bottleneck. It takes some pretty serious Toba style stuff to do that and even then Mom Nature just chuckles and shrugs. Chuckles, shrugs and gets on with what she does best. Probably thinking it's pretty egotistic of the frontal lobe-ites to even think they could upset her apple cart, especially when they have already taken their most precious resource she could give them, water, and turned it into a toxic waste dump.

It really doesn't sound like Mom Nature will shed a lot of tears if we manage to engineer ourselves out of the gene pool. As Carlin pointed out, maybe she wanted styrofoam. Job now done, we can phase ourselves out. And we are. They had to turn off the pollution sampling stations in several places in China as ... well, poison is poison. Why test the degree? And here we are, cranking out more Belushium 238.3 (half life a little longer than a few dozen generations can tolerate) while our Mickey Mouse money first nukleer resplatifiers screw up and barf their guts out every now and then.

Naw. Mom Nature looks at the bigger picture. Her most advanced critter is extinctifying itself. But no big deal. She holds all the aces. All the cards in the deck to be honest. She can make more. And maybe she's pissed off about that damned comet and really wanted the fuzzy pachederms to romp a few million more years. Go for it gal. I love you anyway. Zap me out of your gene pool if you want. I also love your dance with Estelle, the cosmic whore. I'm dying with curiosity as to what will replace us!

 

[pyro fiend]

isnt this about a yr old story. if not older? i know the reason for doing it was to have "an extinct species in captivity" they planned on making the baby have babies n hopefully have it at 85%+ mammoth.. but if im not mistaken its like 10yrs for an elephant to mature.. so thatd be one heck of a project -.- but las ti heard they believed the red fluid wasnt blood but something elese like muscles that where crystalized or somethign i dont remember history or discovery chanel did a show it it long ago.

 

[cold blood]

They already made 3 of these movies with dinosaurs.

that was the joke viper

 

[Galapoheros]

old thread but obviously still some interest. Just one factor to consider when wondering whether they would survive today is "gravity". I haven't heard much about it but I heard there was a study that concluded(the best it could be) that gravity on earth has increased over many 1000s of years, the reason stated I don't remember, if there even was one. The claim is that an increase in gravity is the reason many organisms are smaller today compared to long ago. Some scientists claim dinosaurs wouldn't be able to support their own weight due to their mass + bone structure/design and today's force of gravity. If gravity is slowly increasing, I wonder why it is. Has earth increased in mass more than we would guess? Maybe it was really hammered by incoming space junk, more than guessed.

 

[Malhavoc's]

old thread but obviously still some interest. Just one factor to consider when wondering whether they would survive today is "gravity". I haven't heard much about it but I heard there was a study that concluded(the best it could be) that gravity on earth has increased over many 1000s of years, the reason stated I don't remember, if there even was one. The claim is that an increase in gravity is the reason many organisms are smaller today compared to long ago. Some scientists claim dinosaurs wouldn't be able to support their own weight due to their mass + bone structure/design and today's force of gravity. If gravity is slowly increasing, I wonder why it is. Has earth increased in mass more than we would guess? Maybe it was really hammered by incoming space junk, more than guessed.

If I recall the earth gains mass daily from space debri/dust, day to day its negligible but it may have some impact over millennia of time. I had though the reason for size difference was the oxygen levels in comparison then from now. Either way I am fascinated by this gene manipulation and look forward to some outcome from it.

 

[pyro fiend]

old thread but obviously still some interest. Just one factor to consider when wondering whether they would survive today is "gravity". I haven't heard much about it but I heard there was a study that concluded(the best it could be) that gravity on earth has increased over many 1000s of years, the reason stated I don't remember, if there even was one. The claim is that an increase in gravity is the reason many organisms are smaller today compared to long ago. Some scientists claim dinosaurs wouldn't be able to support their own weight due to their mass + bone structure/design and today's force of gravity. If gravity is slowly increasing, I wonder why it is. Has earth increased in mass more than we would guess? Maybe it was really hammered by incoming space junk, more than guessed.

If I recall the earth gains mass daily from space debri/dust, day to day its negligible but it may have some impact over millennia of time. I had though the reason for size difference was the oxygen levels in comparison then from now. Either way I am fascinated by this gene manipulation and look forward to some outcome from it.

I think you both right actually oxegyn has depleted but also the space junk and hair skin particles etc can make up dust which technically is dirt in a way..

gravity does have an effect but i dont think so much on inverts its the oxygen. But as for mamals.. theyd both effect the size. Infact im surprized eliphants havnt grown smaller because females in the wild get hip problems. Sometimes breaks fractures from the mass of the male mounting them (bet she wishes she could lay an egg)..thus living a shorter life then smaller similar species

buy also effect the birds after all dinos are birds ;p but a pterodactyl was huge. Tho now whats the biggest birds we have? Buzzards? eagles? if they weighed more ,like say obese, would they still fly properly? :think:

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