Wild Animals In New York Against The Law?

[demolitionlover]

I am currently living in New York and I am waiting for my venomous interim license to come in the mail.

I'm guessing that you don't live within the 5 boroughs of NYC? I know that a permit for T's are not issued for ANY reason.

I live on Long Island. T's are allowed here. : )

 

[NYbirdEater]

arachinds are illegal in NYC, and scorps are illegal in many places. Ferrets are illegal and tons of other stuff. If they passed that bill we were petitioning against you won't even be able to own pythons and monitor lizrds. I will have to look into it more. Damn politicians. Luckily dealers don't seem to care and ship anywhere.

 

[becca81]

People who let potentially dangerous animals run loose(and MOST animals are potentially dangerous, in one way or another)or deliberately train an animal to be aggressive towards humans then fail to control it are the problem, not the animals themselves. The animals are no more the problem than automobiles in the many instances of where drunk drivers kill or injure people. Idiots will still find a way to be idiots, with or without animals or cars, and people will get hurt as a result, until the PEOPLE who cause the problems are held accountable, big time!

pitbulllady

I agree that it's not the animals fault, but what do you suggest happens? What solutions are possible? Someone mentioned how easy it is to get an animal permit, so that's not the answer.

 

[Windchaser]

I agree that it's not the animals fault, but what do you suggest happens? What solutions are possible? Someone mentioned how easy it is to get an animal permit, so that's not the answer.

Have and enforce stiff penalties for those individuals who are irresponsible. If a dog owner allows his dog to attack someone, than the owner should be punished and held accountable. There are far too many slaps on the wrists that are handed out, rather than a punishment that will make someone think twice about being irresponsible.

Restricting or not allowing the ownership of some animals does not little to change the underlying problem. It is a band-aid fix to the problem, rather than fixing the problem. Unfortunating, fixing these problems are a societal issue, which can take time to fix.

 

[BugToxin]

Permits are definately NOT the solution to issues like pit bulls and venomous invertebrates. Permits can and will be denied to people just like us when the wrong politicians get elected. The solution is to use the criminal justice system just like it was intended to be used. Here in Colorado a woman was just sentenced to six years in prison for allowing her pit bulls to kill a woman and wound two others. Here is the link to the story.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3999446/detail.html

Every case is different, and that is why they need to be judged on a case-by-case basis by a jury of peers. In this case, the woman who owned the dogs demonstrated repeatedly that she was grossly neglegent in keeping her annimals under controll. The animals were well known to be agressive and dangerous and had attacked other people in the past. If the situation was different, the sentence would have been different. If this were truly an accident that could not have been forseen, then perhaps the woman would not have gone to prison at all. As it was, she got what she deserved.

Another non-solution is breed specific bans. If people want big dangerous dogs to fight each other, or to attack and kill people they don't like, then people will get these dogs. Pit bulls just happen to be what we hear the most about. If you want a really big scarry dog, you could buy a Tosa Inu, or a Brazilian Mastiff. Or you could just cross breed some dogs to make the ultimate doggie killing machine. Of course, all of these dogs would likely have the potential to be nice pets as well if they were raised by the right people, but then again we aren't worried about the right people.

The same can be said for many other things that we don't want the wrong people to have. This includes venomous animals. If you couldn't go to the pet store to buy a really cool looking constrictor, maybee you could just hike up into the hills and catch a rattlesnake. If you can't buy a scorpion locally, just drive over to the next state and get one. All these types of laws do is make it harder for legitimate owners like us to enjoy our interests. You will never be able to stop the wrong people from owning things you don't want them to own. All you can do is punish the people who knowingly, intentionally, or through gross neglegence endanger or hurt other people. And you can make sure that the punishments are severe enough so that it doesn't happen nearly as often as it might, and almost never by the same person twice.

Unfortunately, living in a free society takes work. There will always be someone who doesn't like, or is afraid of what you do, what you say, or what you believe. They will try to take away your dog, your spider, your gun, your motorcycle, or your best outlet of free speech. They will do this because they have had a personal bad exerience, because they don't like what you believe, or because they think that they know what is best for you and others. They mean well and hope to save the planet from all the rest of us. If we give in to their good intentions, we will all loose.

 

[Windchaser]

Here in Colorado a woman was just sentenced to six years in prison for allowing her pit bulls to kill a woman and wound two others.

Every case is different, and that is why they need to be judged on a case-by-case basis by a jury of peers. In this case, the woman who owned the dogs demonstrated repeatedly that she was grossly neglegent in keeping her annimals under controll. The animals were well known to be agressive and dangerous and had attacked other people in the past. If the situation was different, the sentence would have been different. If this were truly an accident that could not have been forseen, then perhaps the woman would not have gone to prison at all. As it was, she got what she deserved.
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Actually, in my opinion, this woman got off very easy. Six years, which will probably end up as three years, for enabling the situation for someone to loose their life.

I do agree with you though, the justice system is where these types of issues should be decided.

 

[BugToxin]

Actually, in my opinion, this woman got off very easy. Six years, which will probably end up as three years, for enabling the situation for someone to loose their life.

I do agree with you though, the justice system is where these types of issues should be decided.

I agree. I didn't say it quite right. She should have gotten even more time. I'm guessing that she will spend about two years hard time, and the rest on parole. It isn't enough, but at least she will spend real prison time instead of simply fines and community service. I'm guessing that she will also, as a condition of her parole when she gets out, not be allowed to keep dogs of any kind. This would be a good thing too I think.

 

[versimomma]

Hiya I am in the Uk and I just wanna say I find it ridiculous animals are BANNED from being kept and are put to sleep coz of it. I have met a wonderful (illegal) Pitbull and my self own a staffordshire bull terrier. My Staffy is the softest dog you will ever meet and I have a thought That in the Majority of cases with animals its the owners that are mis handling or not training their animals. Therefore not the animals fault.
The law regarding ferrets annoys me in particular as I have 3 ferrets myself and they are wonderful animals. Also they are nothin like wild animals and have been domesticated for thousands of years. There is no such thing as a wild ferret to my knowledge. It is believed that the ferret came about through the crossing of the european polecat and the Asian steppe polecat. Ferrets have no idea how to live in the wild and when kill prey do not know what to do with it after So for a law to be passed saying they cannot be kept as they are wild animals is ludicrous.
Sorry i have ranted but as a keeper of snakes, T's, ferrets and staffies and as a general animal lover the thought of any of these animals being PTS winds me up. How can the animal rights oranisations involved in these laws give themselves these titles when they are condemming these animals to death.
I agree with Tigers, lions etc as most would not keep them in the appropriate conditions but the rest is crap! :wall: :?

 

[NYbirdEater]

You live in the USA long enough (NY here) and if you have half a head on your shoulders you realize they often do things like this to prove they can control things you do simply because they feel like it, while appeasing certain groups who will re-elect them because it seems they have done something that make them feel SAFE. War on drugs, War on Terror, War on Crime, War on poverty, War on aids, War on cancer, maybe dangerous animals are next. All steaming BS that usually has the exact opposite outcome from the initial proposed intent. That's nutshell-based fragmented opinion, sorry but I'm exhausted.

Serioulsy though, getting these animals is not very hard to do. Pennsylvania everything is legal, New Jersey there are legal things you can't get here like scorpions and pirahna, even go upstate NY or Long Island and you can get things. Seems like more crap from the elite to make it seem like they're accomplishing something. Plus it creates more jobs to enforce it, gives the government the right to bust in your home under suspicion, do I even need to go on?

 

[Sting Crazy]

In regards to dog attacks, I'm sure you all remember the case in California a few years back when two giant caine corsos killed a young woman. The owner of the dogs got put away for murder (25 years I believe).
Also, don't forget the case in NYC two years ago when a man went to the hospital with injuries he claimed were from a pitbull. When the hospital workers saw the wounds they knew they could not have been caused by a pit and they sent the cops to the guys midtown manhatten apt. where they found a full grown bengal tiger and a adult caiman alligator.

I live on long island so I'm hearing that this law won't effect me. But I've also lived in Queens and I don't think anyone is going to have to worry about the SWAT team crashing though their doors and windows over a couple of spiders and lizards.

 

[NYbirdEater]

...But I've also lived in Queens and I don't think anyone is going to have to worry about the SWAT team crashing though their doors and windows over a couple of spiders and lizards.

You're probably right about T's and lizards being small and quiet pets... but I'd never underestimate those bastards, especially after the patriot act. And if your a minority and it's quota time, having a noisy parakeet might just get a battaering ram driven through your door... if your lucky.. they may just come flying in from all entry points and shoot you because of a mistaken address. It's happened before.

 

[Sting Crazy]

You're probably right about T's and lizards being small and quiet pets... but I'd never underestimate those bastards, especially after the patriot act. And if your a minority and it's quota time, having a noisy parakeet might just get a battaering ram driven through your door... if your lucky.. they may just come flying in from all entry points and shoot you because of a mistaken address. It's happened before.

I definitely agree with you that John Q law is getting a bit carried away with the so called patriot act. But I wouldn't necessarily over estimate those bastards either. While there are plenty of ways to be randomly <edited>, both by the govt and natural causes, keeping a low profile should work for 99%. There simply aren't enough feds to keep "F lowers B y I rene" trucks set up in front of every household.
I think this discussion would make a good watering hole thread

MN

 

[Scylla]

The new STATE regulations WILL effect you on LI.

 

[Sting Crazy]

Scylla,
Thank you for clarifying that. Does this mean that pet stores on LI will stop carrying Ts, Iguanas, ect?

 

[Scylla]

The state law does not mention T's. There are certain snakes and lizards that are mentioned. I think I posted the bill number earlier in this thread, if not a link to it. There is a grandfather clause for animals in your possession prior to 1/1/05.

 

[NYbirdEater]

I was trying also to be semi-serious. Sometimes people need to smile on here so I throw in some exagerration now and again. But living in NY you know how bad it gets sometimes an d the screwed up things they do to people in the city.

 

[NYbirdEater]

And I would like to know how any of this will affect the average T keeper on here in any serious way, who are careful, private T keepers anad scorp keepers when they need to be. Want to keep a lion in Manhattan, good luck, giant lizard, good luck. Some people will do it, and I'm sure the mega wealthy won't have a problem keeping their roof-top zoos.

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Cheers for Fears

 

[Tony]

All I know is ILL is dropping 120 or so DNR guys this year. YAY, that means perhaps no swap raids where they can hand out tickets for baby turtles and 'aquatic animal' permits..Oops there was one dumbass with venomous under the table last time, the only real score for them..
T

 

[NYbirdEater]

All I know is ILL is dropping 120 or so DNR guys this year. YAY, that means perhaps no swap raids where they can hand out tickets for baby turtles and 'aquatic animal' permits..Oops there was one dumbass with venomous under the table last time, the only real score for them..
T

Yeah I nearly forgot about the deadly turtle scare.

 

[Tony]

Yea the turtle guy was selling baby turtles I guess...Sold to an undercover that morning and got busted. Thing is, how I remember it, they wanted to give him a ticket for EVERY baby turtle on the table....kinda like "If we were to wait, he WOULD sell them all illegally so , here's 400 tickets".

Big bunch of goofs I tell ya..Ill repeat it here (OT OT OT) as I have said before...At a big Natl show here, Pat Kane <duck> was selling stuff and a DNR guy was in the crowd. I joked with him if he was buying anything, he said he was interested in the scorpions, as they were deadly. I said Pat had desert hairys & emperors etc that were not deadly..His DNR retarded response? "All scorpions are deadly". I guess the look I made told the story, and perhaps a superior set him straight when he was going to write tickets, cause he didnt. Point is, MR DNR is supposed to KNOW these things!!!!!! OF all people????
There was something else at the LEE swap raid.. I forget the details, but basically the jist of it was about beardeds being aquatic animals or something, so they wanted to issue aquatic permit violations..I guess alot of people got hit for not having that permit. all in all I think 90% of the tickets were tossed, thanks in no small part to Lee Watson and his attorney rep'ing the vendors
T (sorry for the OT rant)