Which tarantula (if any) could 1v1 a common house cat?

[loginsinker]

Imagine the arena is an empty, enclosed, well lit room. The tarantula is fully mature. It is on the floor, and it becomes aware of the cat when it enters the room, and perceives it as an active threat. The cat instinctively perceives the tarantula as a prey item, and will attempt to stalk and kill it. The win condition for the tarantula is to simply survive, and to force the cat to give up and retreat, rather than to be able to straight up kill it. For the sake of this prompt, the tarantula is hard locked into "fight" mode rather than flight, so it is determined to stand its ground rather than attempt to flee. Is there any species that you think would hold its own in this situation and be able to drive away the cat without being killed itself?

 

[moricollins]

None.

Some reading:
https://arachnoboards.com/threads/help-please-t-stirmi-escaped.359024/unread

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/keeping-tarantulas-safe-from-cats.346520/

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/tarantula-was-injured-by-cat.328596/

 

[Hardus nameous]

One of those stuffed plush-toy tarantulas might last long enough for the cat to get bored or take a nap.

 

[tarantulas118]

no, just no. a 7 inch Goliath birdeater stood no chance to a kitten and killed my tarantula

HELP PLEASE!!!! T. Stirmi escaped

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PRE-DEATH CURL?!?

Ok I know you guys are probably annoyed about me always posting about the stirmi but now it’s been in this position for more than a couple days and I decided to poke it a little and was barely moving at all is this a sign of death coming soon. I don’t know if the cat caused it to have internal...

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these are my posts on the cat that managed to kill A 7 inch Theraphosa stirmi

 

[viper69]

Imagine the arena is an empty, enclosed, well lit room. The tarantula is fully mature. It is on the floor, and it becomes aware of the cat when it enters the room, and perceives it as an active threat. The cat instinctively perceives the tarantula as a prey item, and will attempt to stalk and kill it. The win condition for the tarantula is to simply survive, and to force the cat to give up and retreat, rather than to be able to straight up kill it. For the sake of this prompt, the tarantula is hard locked into "fight" mode rather than flight, so it is determined to stand its ground rather than attempt to flee. Is there any species that you think would hold its own in this situation and be able to drive away the cat without being killed itself?

You have issues

 

[loginsinker]

You have issues

?? why triggered? it's not like i'm advocating to actually try this. im just curious about it in theory. some old worlds are fast and mean enough i bet they could do it

None.

Some reading:
https://arachnoboards.com/threads/help-please-t-stirmi-escaped.359024/unread

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/keeping-tarantulas-safe-from-cats.346520/

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/tarantula-was-injured-by-cat.328596/

ya i figure most new worlds wouldn't stand a chance. i'm thinkin a big pissed off OBT tho? Cobalt Blue? Those venomous speed demons from the Old World?? Betchu one of them would have a shot, especially since they'd be starting the confrontation in a threat pose that the cat would have to initiate against.

 

[HooahArmy]

I can't imagine even the most venom-potent Old World causing more than just a world of hurt for a cat since their venoms just aren't designed to take down mammals larger than themselves. However, the only way a cat could be KO'ed is with infections from the mechanical damage caused by large fangs, or just from the cat irritating the wound itself. Kicked hairs from a New World however can cause blindness or even asphyxia for a cat who has respirated the hairs; a more likely cause of long-term damage or even death.

Cats themselves are notorious predators and the T itself would be no match for their keen eyesight and light-speed reflexes, let alone their razor claws and teeth. This in itself is why most cat and T keepers keep the creatures apart for both their safeties; cats and their hunting instinct and curiosity just won't mix with any defensive T.

When it comes to cat vs. spider, I'd rather place precaution more on the black widow as the winner in my location in Southern California. In my neighborhood where widows are quite literally under every outdoor surface known to man, several cats and dogs have already fallen victim.

 

[CutThroat Kid]

Maybe one couldn't, but a large army of Monocentropus Balfouri might be able to best their feline nemesis.


If I ever see this comment end up as a youtube video, I will find you.

 

[viper69]

None.

Some reading:
https://arachnoboards.com/threads/help-please-t-stirmi-escaped.359024/unread

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/keeping-tarantulas-safe-from-cats.346520/

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/tarantula-was-injured-by-cat.328596/

See what I mean about froggers vs T owners re: the OP post.

 

[loginsinker]

I can't imagine even the most venom-potent Old World causing more than just a world of hurt for a cat since their venoms just aren't designed to take down mammals larger than themselves. However, the only way a cat could be KO'ed is with infections from the mechanical damage caused by large fangs, or just from the cat irritating the wound itself. Kicked hairs from a New World however can cause blindness or even asphyxia for a cat who has respirated the hairs; a more likely cause of long-term damage or even death.

Cats themselves are notorious predators and the T itself would be no match for their keen eyesight and light-speed reflexes, let alone their razor claws and teeth. This in itself is why most cat and T keepers keep the creatures apart for both their safeties; cats and their hunting instinct and curiosity just won't mix with any defensive T.

When it comes to cat vs. spider, I'd rather place precaution more on the black widow as the winner in my location in Southern California. In my neighborhood where widows are quite literally under every outdoor surface known to man, several cats and dogs have already fallen victim.

Yeah a T killing a cat wouldn't happen, but the win con is to make it retreat. I'm thinkin maybe if the cat approaches in a way that leaves it exposed, it might get bit before it can inflict serious damage, and I'm thinkin that with how much pain that would cause it, it would nope out and run away and no longer consider it worth it to keep attacking. I think maybe an already posed up old world might be able to get a shot in.

 

[l4nsky]

Everyone forgets about the potency of Selenocosmia (ex Phlogius) crassipes...... Once again, Australia delivers a very venomous animal

 

[CrazyOrnithoctonineGuy]

Even the largest T is too small to do much to a cat.

 

[loginsinker]

Even the largest T is too small to do much to a cat.

What I think about is more important than size, though: is speed, ferocity, venom. I think some old world arboreal species with fearsome temperament would fair far better than say a goliath birdeater despite being smaller

 

[Mike Withrow]

I dunno if it's from all the "help I came home to my cat slapping my spider around because I did or didn't do this or whatever,will it be okay"? Posts I feel like I've ran across lately but yeah that just adds to why I'm not a cat person.

My Amazon tree boa nailed my ex's cat on top of the head while I was holding her and the cat jumped on the couch. Ol Sylvester or whatever it's name was didn't want round two of them snags from that boa.

 

[l4nsky]

I can't imagine even the most venom-potent Old World causing more than just a world of hurt for a cat since their venoms just aren't designed to take down mammals larger than themselves.

Yeah a T killing a cat wouldn't happen,

Even the largest T is too small to do much to a cat.

And it seems few people wish to look it up... S. crassipes is one of the few species of tarantula I won't keep currently out of an abundance of caution for my neighbor's pets. I trust my husbandry skills and setup, but it's not worth the risk presently.

Everyone forgets about the potency of Selenocosmia (ex Phlogius) crassipes...... Once again, Australia delivers a very venomous animal

Their bite is quickly fatal to dogs and cats, but only one report of serious illness from a bite to a human has occurred.

https://www.qm.qld.gov.au/Explore/F...+mygalomorphae/tarantula+or+whistling+spiders

 

[Mike Withrow]

And it seems few people wish to look it up... S. crassipes is one of the few species of tarantula I won't keep currently out of an abundance of caution for my neighbor's pets. I trust my husbandry skills and setup, but it's not worth the risk presently.



https://www.qm.qld.gov.au/Explore/F...+mygalomorphae/tarantula+or+whistling+spiders

Interesting. I've read about them before but nothing in depth.
It's crazy how they can be harmful to dogs and cats,but the bite from an Atrax won't,but will put a human in a hurt locker.

 

[The Grym Reaper]

None, domestic cats are some of the most effective killers on the planet. Even on the off-chance that the tarantula does actually manage to bite the cat it will almost certainly be fatally injured in the process.

Everyone forgets about the potency of Selenocosmia (ex Phlogius) crassipes

Their venom is extremely potent for dogs which is likely a result of them evolving to more effectively defend themselves against dingoes, we have absolutely no idea how effective it is on cats though (not sure what evidence they have for the cat claim on the museum page as only dogs and humans were compared in the link below).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12657322/

The only study I can think of off the top of my head comparing the susceptibility of dogs and cats to venom was with snake venom and it references a questionnaire which found that cats were more than twice as likely to survive bites than dogs.

Pets in peril: The relative susceptibility of cats and dogs to procoagulant snake venoms

Snakebite is a common occurrence for pet cats and dogs worldwide and can be fatal. In Australia the eastern brown snake (Pseudonaja textilis) is respo…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[CrazyOrnithoctonineGuy]

Their venom is extremely potent for dogs which is likely a result of them evolving to more effectively defend themselves against dingoes.

I doubt this is the case, as dingoes only entered Australia around 4,000 years ago (for context, modern humans have been in Australia for almost 10 times longer than dingoes, and by that point almost all living species had already evolved). Not to mention dingoes mostly go for bigger prey.

 

[kadupul]

almost all living species had already evolved

Evolution is constant.

 

[CrazyOrnithoctonineGuy]

Evolution is constant.

Evolution is constant, but it works slowly; changes as big as evolving into a new species with much more toxic venom specifically to deal with a new predator usually take much longer than 4,000 years to happen, unless you're talking about microorganisms and such.