What invert should I get (best pet invert)

[goliathusdavid]

To be honest, if you aren't careful about your feeders conditions, it's almost always going to cause problems. It would be hard to think of an invert that has no possibility of acting as a vector. Or an exotic animal in general . This is why you will see me freaking out about biosecurity and animal conditions in other threads.

@goliathusdavid whhhaaaaattttt and why does my local pet store have mantids and other inverts

As @Scorpiobsession was getting at, there are three ways of explaining this. 1. They are only offering native\naturalized mantids and other inverts that don't require permits. 2. They possess the proper permits but don't inform the buyer about permitting (something surprisingly common). 3. They are breaking the law, either knowingly or unknowingly, but are still subject to punishment either way. This last scenario is far more common than you think, because the enforcement for these laws (many of which are extremely important) is incredibly limited.

 

[NecroticVenom]

I’m assuming you can’t get a permit under the age of 18

is There exceptions in different states? If you don’t know off the top of your head I can look it up myself

 

[Scorpiobsession]

I’m assuming you can’t get a permit under the age of 18

is There exceptions in different states? If you don’t know off the top of your head I can look it up myself

If you can't you could likely get your parents to so it's legally owned by them but you take care of it. I think if it's native to your state you can legally keep it. However I'm not sure about invasive species like chinese mantids. I think you can legally keep them if they were/can be wild caught but I'm not sure.

 

[Entomomaniac]

I’m assuming you can’t get a permit under the age of 18

is There exceptions in different states? If you don’t know off the top of your head I can look it up myself

Your profile says you're 22

 

[NecroticVenom]

I do that in everything (videogames and other stuff) so I’m not restricted

I play a game called valorant that’s 16+ There’s Cussing and blood but, really?

 

[Matts inverts]

You could get isopods or a millipede. They just eat leaves and wood so they don’t need much work. Also, they said no breeding but do they care about isopods? I started out with two isopod cultures and I was told no more and now I have 13 different types of insects and at least 5 of the species breed now.

 

[NecroticVenom]

I guess they wouldn’t be worried about isopods (who’s scared of roly polys) but they don’t seem very interesting to me

Other than rubber duckies and porcellio expansus

 

[Matts inverts]

I just have mixed animal tanks. I have one with a super worm beetle, caramel isopods, and springtails. Would you be aloud to get more to breed if you sell the offspring?

 

[Entomomaniac]

I recommend giant peppered roaches or hissers

 

[Matts inverts]

I recommend a giant Texas millipede or diabolical ironclad beetles

 

[NecroticVenom]

If I got a roach I would only be able to get 1 :/
They sound good though, easy, hardy, good for handling,

Diabolical ironclad could be housed with my blue death feigning beetles
There’s some in bugsincyberspace that are hellburnt which apparently is a color morph

 

[Entomomaniac]

If you still want a mantis there are various species living in Texas that you could find for yourself, such as Chinese or Texas unicorn mantids.

 

[viper69]

Mag. Hissing Cockroaches, or Mantids. I like mantids better myself.

 

[NecroticVenom]

I’ll research some more
I had no idea that you needed a permit for inverts so thats definitely something to think about before getting one. I’ll probably get a mantis

 

[goliathusdavid]

If you can't you could likely get your parents to so it's legally owned by them but you take care of it. I think if it's native to your state you can legally keep it. However I'm not sure about invasive species like chinese mantids. I think you can legally keep them if they were/can be wild caught but I'm not sure.

Since Chinese mantids are considered naturalized they are totally unregulated. They were actually introduced to the US in a nursery 10 miles from me in 1896. Native species are not ALWAYS legal to keep, it depends where you are getting them. For example Bess beetles are native to PA, but I can't buy them from an out of state seller without a permit. Diabolical ironclads are native to Texas, but @NecroticVenom would not be able to buy them from Bugsincyberspace (based in Oregon) without a permit. Totally legal to buy, sell, or collect most species in state though. This may seem ridiculous but there is good reasoning behind it - the preservation of geographical and genetic diversity within certain populations.
Also, regarding invasives (and @Scorpiobsession I am sure you know this but want to clarify for others) I feel it is important to note that a species being invasive in your state doesn't make it legal to keep. Until considered naturalized, most invasives follow the same regulations as other exotics. Japanese beetles, to give an example, are highly illegal to keep even in states where they have become well established. APHIS doesn't want anyone selling these and aiding their spread. Spotted lanternflies (god help Philadelphia) are another example of such a species.

Mag. Hissing Cockroaches, or Mantids.

Roaches are great! And eighteen species got deregulated in June including Macropanesthia rhinoceros.

 

[NecroticVenom]

I’m sorry for asking this question but I can’t find anything. How do you get a permit?

If it’s deregulated does that mean I would be able to get it shipped from another state to me without a permit? (Where can I find this information)

 

[Matts inverts]

Deregulation means not regulated so you only need a permit to import them. You said you want a mantis but they technically need a permit. Most inverts need permits but they are not regulated like the law says so they are still being traded and sold.

 

[goliathusdavid]

I’m sorry for asking this question but I can’t find anything. How do you get a permit?

Don't apologize for asking that! It's totally legitimate! Permits are acquired by applying through APHIS, I'll attach the link to their information page at the end of this post. Also linking a few threads on permitting which I think might be helpful.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ou...n/permits/regulated-organism-and-soil-permits (Permit information and FAQ)
https://arachnoboards.com/threads/ppq-526s-for-millipedes.336150/#post-3129118 (details one hobbyists experience with the process)
The Mantis Menagerie USDA (Pretty much the definitive guide as to whether or not you need a permit)

If it’s deregulated does that mean I would be able to get it shipped from another state to me without a permit? (Where can I find this information)

Yes! Totally legal, no permitting required. This category includes 18 roach species, all native\naturalized millipedes and mantids, all arachnids, all centipedes, and probably a bunch of other stuff I'm forgetting. The Mantis Menagerie guide should answer most species specific questions.

Note: Arachnids and centipedes while not regulated by USDA\APHIS may still be subject to international CITES regulation.

 

[Entomomaniac]

Is a permit required for Dynastes tityus?

 

[goliathusdavid]

Is a permit required for Dynastes tityus?

For acquiring or selling them out of state, yes. I don't believe permits are required for possession, but any sort of inter-state transport will require a PPQ 526 permit.