What’s the difference between Aphonopelma chalcodes?

doratheeeexplorer

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How can you tell the difference between the localities of Aphonopelma chalcodes? I have two of my own but they was sold as A chalcodes. What I mean is New River, Sierra Vista etc. How do breeders figure out the specific localities of this species to breed them? Or do they just breed different localities and it doesn’t make a difference? I went down a rabbit hole and can’t find any information on this.
 

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Not sure there’s a few old threads if you search it I’d assume there names for the location there collected .. a recent thread also discussed it but I forgot which one.
 

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How can you tell the difference between the localities of Aphonopelma chalcodes? I have two of my own but they was sold as A chalcodes. What I mean is New River, Sierra Vista etc. How do breeders figure out the specific localities of this species to breed them? Or do they just breed different localities and it doesn’t make a difference? I went down a rabbit hole and can’t find any information on this.
Search the forum there was a thread about this a couple of days ago. Also, I’d look at Arachnoboards media gallery of the Aphonopelma Chalcodes images on this website to see the differences in pictures people have taken of their A Chalcodes. I’m sure you’d see pictures of the different localities on there.
 

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How can you tell the difference between the localities of Aphonopelma chalcodes? I have two of my own but they was sold as A chalcodes. What I mean is New River, Sierra Vista etc. How do breeders figure out the specific localities of this species to breed them? Or do they just breed different localities and it doesn’t make a difference? I went down a rabbit hole and can’t find any information on this.
Some people are irresponsible and don’t care about others/hobby and breed FrankenTs.

Others are responsible and breed localities with like localities.

Not sure why this is such an asked issue in T world, because in other exotics no one asks this.

In the end if one doesn’t know what s/he has and s/he knows this, then s/he is not ignorant NOR intelligent but the exact opposite of smart.
 

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Not sure there’s a few old threads if you search it I’d assume there names for the location there collected .. a recent thread also discussed it but I forgot which one.
Every time this question is asked I have to chuckle. I'm yet to see a photo that looks like mine, not today nor a month ago, because my Aphonopelma don't look the same as they did a month ago. Anyone that has ever kept this extremely basic tarantula for one molt cycle knows what I'm talking about. But I'd love to hear how the colors change in the mere weeks following a molt.

But I did have a real good belly laugh at these posts from 2013

It's now 2024 and we have how many Aphonopelma sp from Mexico? No really, Aphonopelma sp [ad nauseam]...how many can we name? But that white thing is the only true A chalcodes. 🤣 Maybe I'm still holding a grudge from his silica as substrate days.... You know, the dessicant that comes in those little packets that says "DO NOT EAT." I wonder how many decades he shaved off those poor otherwise long lived creatures. Nothing against you @Ultum4Spiderz just not a fan ❤
 

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Here is a pro tip.

If you ever question what a specific locality of a tarantula species looks like for comparison, or to verify if there really is such a thing as a unique reproducing variety of a species, then head over to inaturalist.org and search for the species. From there you will get a list of pictures of what they look like in real life throughout their range under natural conditions with a variety of camera settings. This is better than trying to compare pictures of them in captivity where someone is usually posting the best pictures they can. At worst, pictures of the best examples and the best lighting conditions from someone trying to sell you something.

To get started, here is the link to Aphonopelma chalcodes which occur all over southern Arizona. You can use the map or list views to see the location in order to compare the different localities being collected from the wild and sold in the pet trade.

Now YOU be the judge if there is any real difference!

 

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head over to inaturalist.org and search for the species.
that is exactly part of the things i have been doing. That site is a gold mine. I have been using it for years with plants, animals, everything really. It is also amazing in that you can learn about the habitat. Where one tarantula was found, then it is where it was comfortable. You see plants in the pictures. The substrate. Around a burrow you see elevation and aggreagtes.

You can use those cues to recreate suitable enclosures.

inaturalist is one of the best tools there is. Finding a species in the wild does not lie. Especialy if there are more then one siting.
 

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that is exactly part of the things i have been doing. That site is a gold mine. I have been using it for years with plants, animals, everything really. It is also amazing in that you can learn about the habitat. Where one tarantula was found, then it is where it was comfortable. You see plants in the pictures. The substrate. Around a burrow you see elevation and aggreagtes.

You can use those cues to recreate suitable enclosures.

inaturalist is one of the best tools there is. Finding a species in the wild does not lie. Especialy if there are more then one siting.
Maybe you could help me then, I'm trying to identify the plants that the tarantulas are pictured near/on...how in tarnation would I go about identitifying them?
 

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Maybe you could help me then, I'm trying to identify the plants that the tarantulas are pictured near/on...how in tarnation would I go about identitifying them?
That can be complicated if the plant is just a blade of grass. If there is a pattern, shape to a leaf, or flower, it gets easier.

the first step would be to save the image and try to get a crop of the said plant. Use it in a google reverse link, or a plant identifcation app. That will put you on a lead. After which you go and look up the plant on any search bar you prefer to see if it fits.

there is alot of sherlocking, but it does work. I do have a horticultirst background, so it is second nature to me, to go through identification process. Its really easy, only it can be long.

of course, if you are seeing the plant in person, the better. A picture of the plants main attributes should be enough to get a main id. I have two plant apps i use to cross reference. Aswell as google reverse. Then the rest of the work is research. Even a bas quality image can get the algorithm going. And it works. All the gardeners at my work use these apps to get hints. We also know before hand what species and genus we are looking at. That helps.

But logic also comes into play. If the tarantula is on grass, or under a bush, then it will help determine what plant you are looking for. If you know the plant is a local grass in playa coco costa rica, then i would search indigenous grasses of that area.

i can try and assist you with a search and see what results we get. If you show me a really bad picture that shows nothing at all, i am unfortunately not that kind of expert 😇

i should also note that researching is an obsession of mine. People come to me at work because they are lazy and know i will be quicker. So i understand if this process would be a heavy task and seem way too much of an effort. To me, it is like traveling in a new place.
 

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That can be complicated if the plant is just a blade of grass. If there is a pattern, shape to a leaf, or flower, it gets easier.

the first step would be to save the image and try to get a crop of the said plant. Use it in a google reverse link, or a plant identifcation app. That will put you on a lead. After which you go and look up the plant on any search bar you prefer to see if it fits.

there is alot of sherlocking, but it does work. I do have a horticultirst background, so it is second nature to me, to go through identification process. Its really easy, only it can be long.

of course, if you are seeing the plant in person, the better. A picture of the plants main attributes should be enough to get a main id. I have two plant apps i use to cross reference. Aswell as google reverse. Then the rest of the work is research. Even a bas quality image can get the algorithm going. And it works. All the gardeners at my work use these apps to get hints. We also know before hand what species and genus we are looking at. That helps.

But logic also comes into play. If the tarantula is on grass, or under a bush, then it will help determine what plant you are looking for. If you know the plant is a local grass in playa coco costa rica, then i would search indigenous grasses of that area.

i can try and assist you with a search and see what results we get. If you show me a really bad picture that shows nothing at all, i am unfortunately not that kind of expert 😇

i should also note that researching is an obsession of mine. People come to me at work because they are lazy and know i will be quicker. So i understand if this process would be a heavy task and seem way too much of an effort. To me, it is like traveling in a new place.
I'll try the reverse image search. No blades of grass have struck my interest yet (although I do consider Ophiopogon planiscapus to be one of my favorite plants 🤣)

Thank you ❤
 

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I'll try the reverse image search. No blades of grass have struck my interest yet (although I do consider Ophiopogon planiscapus to be one of my favorite plants 🤣)

Thank you ❤
my pleasure. If i can assist in anyway, i will give my 200%. I always love a challenge.
 

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I got my first Arizona blonde today. Wild caught. How do you tell the locality? If needed more pictures I can attach more.

She’s my third but my first two are basically my brothers. But he ain’t getting this one.
 

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Did the seller provide any information when you purchased her? If not then you could message them and ask.
 

doratheeeexplorer

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Search the forum and do your research. This question has been asked 3 times in the last week :rolleyes:
I have. After everything I’ve read on here it still doesn’t make sense to me. I’ll click on one and the pictures of the specific locality doesn’t pop up…hence why I asked.
 

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I'll try the reverse image search. No blades of grass have struck my interest yet (although I do consider Ophiopogon planiscapus to be one of my favorite plants 🤣)

Thank you ❤
iNaturalist has an app called "Seek" where you take photos with your phone and it searches its own records to find a match.
 

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Some people are irresponsible and don’t care about others/hobby and breed FrankenTs.

Others are responsible and breed localities with like localities.

Not sure why this is such an asked issue in T world, because in other exotics no one asks this.

In the end if one doesn’t know what s/he has and s/he knows this, then s/he is not ignorant NOR intelligent but the exact opposite of smart.
100% fact!
 
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