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Don't you think if the shavings were that toxic to inverts they would also kill the waxworms? I'm not even sure they are packed in pine. I suppose it depends on the supplier.
[wax worms are often kept in pine shavings witch is poision to T's]
PS. i'm new here, this is like my 2nd post, so if at any moment if someone feels i'm posting utter nonsense or complete junk. feel free to flame me for it
you are a complete moran. haha jk i couldnt resist. i am the one, who is the complete moran because i enough time on my hands to write this post.
i know i said in my last post to the thread that i leaned more for crickets but there are many reasons for that but with the worms absorbing chemicals theirs probably no doubt about that but their venom destroys anything in it its also possible that their venom sterilizes the insides as well and same can be said with us any one can drink snake venom doesnt matter if its rattle snake venom either as long as you dont have holes in your stomach its perfectly safe to drink cause you stomach acid neutralizes it[wax worms are often kept in pine shavings witch is poision to T's]
If this is true then Jasen might have a valid angle...
If you feed your tarantula feeder insects that came into close contact on a constant basis with pesticides and insecticides, chances are it will adversely affect it.
Is there a difference if that toxic chemical is natural or man made?
If the wax worms 'live on' a toxic substate, what are the chances of it absorbing some of the toxic chemicals? probably really good, since according to Jasen's statement , some wax worms are reared IN pine shavings.
In my opinion, I would not feed my T insects that lived in a container with ANY toxic substrate.
I feel that it is not so much the wax-worm itself, but what it is fed prior to feeding it to the T, and what it is in contact with on a constant basis.
What do you guys think?
PS. i'm new here, this is like my 2nd post, so if at any moment if someone feels i'm posting utter nonsense or complete junk. feel free to flame me for it
Louis.
Neither venom nor digestive juices "sterilize" toxins. If an insect has absorbed toxins, whether from plants with alkoloids or from being sprayed/fed insecticides, they are then poisonous food items. Venoms have very specific things they "go after". They might be paralytic, preventing prey from escaping, they might initiate digestive processes. But they do not clear a body of toxins.
I knew a guy who thought he'd build up an immunity to rattlesnake venom by drinking it. (No, he wasn't the brightest bulb.) Needless to say, it didn't work - but it certainly wasn't harmless, either. He developed ulcerations in the mouth after following this regime for a while. And, it appears he also developed a hypersenstivity to snake venom, probably as a direct result of continued exposure to it in this way. When he finally did get bitten, he died before the paramedics arrived.
are you sure those are pine shavings and not Aspen(hardwood) shavings? Personally I think that feeder diet has more to do with the food value, but I only use roaches for feeding.i keep seeing threads about sick T's and some where along the way they mention feeding a wax worm [wax worms are often kept in pine shavings witch is poision to T's] im wondering if alot of people are feeding these high cal. worms and if so do you take any precautions first[washing them off?] or is any one been feeding them with no prob.
I wouldn't bother with wax worms unless they were free.