WARNING-California AB1122 Hearing on Wednesday 5/6/09

[fantasticp]

so as far as being a socialist???? you have got to be mixing me up with someone else...anyone who knows me, knows im a true capitalist...wayne

http://scabies.myfreeforum.org/about862.html&highlight=

Would suggest otherwise....


"its called human rights ::..i think?....as an American i have the right not to starve(even if its of my own doing) i have the right to have a roof over my head, i have the right to the basic necessities of a human existence...unfortunately people know how to tweak the system...with all of the freedoms we as a people strive for here in America and with our irrational view of having to save the unfortunate continually guiding how we vote for new laws, are you surprised that you would have to pay for it???? someone has got to and its not the government's job to???"

The government's job to keep you alive and a roof over your head capitalism is not my friend.

Throughout the thread you mention all sorts of "free items" as your definition of living in a free country as opposed to freedom to do things being the definition of a free country.

Here's another good socialist quote from the same thread:
"...my honest opinion, get rid of the middle class....but thats another debate altogether.....i got to go to dinner.."

 

[Drachenjager]

..example, someone let out 8-9 pouched rats(these weigh like 3-5 lbs) and now they are becoming an epidemic and if they start to spread, look what could happen to agriculture..

just tell the Cajuns that they have a limit of 3 per year and that they taste good in gumbo and problem is solved.

really it is amazing what a Cajun can make good meals out of.
and they are very good at killing the limit several times a year

 

[Drachenjager]

free society??? there's no such thing, regulatory measures are in place because without such regulations civilization is incapable of governing itself.. an experimentation already tried and tested and completely failed....which is why democracy hasn't been practiced in the US for some time now dugh...

if you play by the rules you have nothing to fear, you dont;P well than off to hell you go....do i like that its mandatory to wear a seat belt no, do i think im drunk and cant drive if im over .08 no..but these legislation's where put into practice to protect us from the foreseeable consequence of not implementing them. does it hurt people who abide by them no but break them and watch out. same with this bill...

so as far as being a socialist???? you have got to be mixing me up with someone else...anyone who knows me, knows im a true capitalist...but this chicken little philosophy you and Thomas are spewing out... as though big brother is somehow going to outlaw expos and dealers of exotic animals somewhere down the road by making sure puppy-mills, mass produced animals and the illegal distribution of live animals is controlled is, forgive me here but its a little comedic don't you think...whats with this pandemic view of legislation to curtail the exploitation of animals.....dont you think one Florida is bad enough????

wayne

ACTUALLY The USA is not a democracy and never has been. It was founded as a Constitutional republic. In which only men and land owners at that voted. the reasoning behind that was that women voted with their heart and not their mind. And that non land owners were loafers that would be a drain on the country. Land
owners were seen as responsible and providers. Basically it was no deposit no return. Somehow someone got the idea that we were supposed to be a democracy and that's when the socialism hit the fan. a little at a time. IF YOU DON'T WORK YOU DON'T EAT AND SHOULD NOT HAVE A VOTE PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!! I am sick of people voting for their interests and ignoring the rights of the rest and the health of the country. DOWN with welfare , down with grants to countries that hate us and collect on the debt the USA is owed from WWII with interest. Pay of china and stop wasting my darn money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cacoseraph]

awesome OP adherence =P



and i sort of take back what i said, poorly defined legislation isn't necessarily unenforceable... what generally happens is the first couple few cases brought to trial establish the er, precedence of the legislated law. what that means is in the first few cases judges decide what all the poorly defined terms mean. in the US there are essentially two kinds of law: legislative, which is the laws actually like, voted one way or another into existance.... and precendencial laws... how the cases based on certain laws are decided. it is... probably not the most optimal way to do things

i might be misremembering that jurisprudence word.  can't think of what the real word would be, though


edit:
it is not jurisprudence... it is precedence... my bad. i am going to edit the post now

 

[ThomasH]

It definitely applies to expos. Read post 33. http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=152721&page=3
TBH

 

[cacoseraph]

that is a taxation body. barely barely relevant here. if the existing section references that body then you are on to something, otherwise, i am pretty sure not. i suspect the BoE is somewhat limited in power, cuz as we known, the power to tax is the power to destroy


you can't just pull definitions from some random place. there has to be like, a chain of reference from the original document.... OR precedential law can like, reference other definitions

 

[sick4x4]

in the context of what we talking about, human rights i think....http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ and what our taxes where paying for....nothing to do with the OP or society as a whole????

never said the US was a democracy, i believe i said it hasn't been practiced in the US for some time....the idealism of it is what leads people to think the US practices it....which i think was mentioned in one of the above posts and i rebutted it..

and as far as the rats go. (i think that method is in use with another rodent population, where the florida swat team gos out every night shooting some kind of rodent???)..its a demonstration to the destructive impact a non-native species has an a local ecosystem...i used Florida because they have wild populations of non native tarantulas(and other inverts), fish, pythons and other reptiles all causing problems because they are producing viable breeding colonies or groups and disrupting the nature of things in Florida...


wasting money is what government does..remember the golden rule..he who has the gold makes the rules

 

[ShellsandScales]

Less law is better. Why not enforce the laws we have instead of always making a new ones. The other thing I never understand is why is it such a taboo for a non native animal to establish itself in a new environment and compete with the local animals?? This has been going on for millions of years.......... long before man ever even came into the picture. Animals getting introduced to new environments. Sure now we give them a little help but are we not a valid species on the earth anymore to make our impact?? Usually it is geography that keeps wild populations seperate (i.e a river). Geography changes and then the animals can move to a new environment and either be out competed by the existing species, or they will outcompete the native population. Ecosystems change and so do the species that exist in these ecosystems. Many many many many many many many many many many........ more species have died out then are alive today, and no matter how it may seem there are always new species evolving. A non native being introduced into a new ecosystem is just another catalyst for evolution to take place. Who cares if there are burmese pythons in the everglades!!!!!! WHO CARES!!! They exist elsewhere in the world and haven't managed to kill off every living thing in their native land, I'm sure many animals will adapt to this "new" predator.Get over it people we are not as in control of the planet as we think we are. What good does it do to cripple an entire industry?? NONE. And its not just the breeders and shops that will suffer. What about vets?? Especially those specializing in exotics??? Just to give one example of how this would affect more then just the pet trade.

 

[fantasticp]

in the context of what we talking about, human rights i think....http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ and what our taxes where paying for....nothing to do with the OP or society as a whole????

What it has to do is your "labeling" of yourself as a "true capitalist" in post #37 which you are clearly not if you want to abolish the middle class and give free food, shelter, and healthcare to everyone. Maybe you need a dictionary or something.

Edit: Here, I'll help you out.

Capitalist:
noun 1. a person who has capital, esp. extensive capital, invested in business enterprises.
2. an advocate of capitalism.
3. a very wealthy person.

Capitalism:–noun an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth <-----IE SOCIALISM

Which one did you sound like in the referenced thread:?

wasting money is what government does...

Always a good attitude. Ever plan on making any money?

 

[fantasticp]

. What about vets?? Especially those specializing in exotics??? Just to give one example of how this would affect more then just the pet trade.

I was just thinking about that yesterday. My best friend from high school spent 10 years in vet school. That's a hefty chunk of student loans to pay off with no marketable job skill if there aren't any pets.

 

[cacoseraph]

Less law is better. Why not enforce the laws we have instead of always making a new ones. The other thing I never understand is why is it such a taboo for a non native animal to establish itself in a new environment and compete with the local animals?? This has been going on for millions of years.......... long before man ever even came into the picture. Animals getting introduced to new environments. Sure now we give them a little help but are we not a valid species on the earth anymore to make our impact?? Usually it is geography that keeps wild populations seperate (i.e a river). Geography changes and then the animals can move to a new environment and either be out competed by the existing species, or they will outcompete the native population. Ecosystems change and so do the species that exist in these ecosystems. Many many many many many many many many many many........ more species have died out then are alive today, and no matter how it may seem there are always new species evolving. A non native being introduced into a new ecosystem is just another catalyst for evolution to take place. Who cares if there are burmese pythons in the everglades!!!!!! WHO CARES!!! They exist elsewhere in the world and haven't managed to kill off every living thing in their native land, I'm sure many animals will adapt to this "new" predator.Get over it people we are not as in control of the planet as we think we are. What good does it do to cripple an entire industry?? NONE. And its not just the breeders and shops that will suffer. What about vets?? Especially those specializing in exotics??? Just to give one example of how this would affect more then just the pet trade.

lol, this post indicates a STRONG need to learn more about animal world


i was going to respond but that post is just too insane to reply rationally to

 

[sick4x4]

What it has to do is your "labeling" of yourself as a "true capitalist" in post #37 which you are clearly not if you want to abolish the middle class and give free food, shelter, and healthcare to everyone. Maybe you need a dictionary or something.

Edit: Here, I'll help you out.

Capitalist:
noun 1. a person who has capital, esp. extensive capital, invested in business enterprises.
2. an advocate of capitalism.
3. a very wealthy person.

Capitalism:–noun an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth <-----IE SOCIALISM

Which one did you sound like in the referenced thread:?



Always a good attitude. Ever plan on making any money?

i guess #3 makes me a capitalist or my family anyways, so guilty by association you can say.... any hoot, its a pointless argument as you don’t have to be republican to have republican views and like I mentioned later in the thread, I was a capitalist with socialistic tendencies... kind of a paradox I know but not as nearly narrow minded as you seem to be...

the argument you keep referring to entails several points I was trying make on the responsibilities of a free nation... not that they were my personal views on the matter...we were talking about where our tax dollars ended up going(I.E. welfare, bailouts it seems recently, and a huge amount of humanitarian aid) which was pointed out, is what a free government does...it helps the needy, hungry and homeless.....yes abolish the middle class(its existence is theoretical at best) but understand there are certain obligations as a free nation, whether you like it or not to help those who cant help themselves for whatever reason..IE the American way now go away....

 

[fantasticp]

i guess #3 makes me a capitalist or my family anyways, so guilty by association you can say.... any hoot, its a pointless argument as you don’t have to be republican to have republican views and like I mentioned later in the thread, I was a capitalist with socialistic tendencies... kind of a paradox I know but not as nearly narrow minded as you seem to be...

the argument you keep referring to entails several points I was trying make on the responsibilities of a free nation... not that they were my personal views on the matter...we were talking about where our tax dollars ended up going(I.E. welfare, bailouts it seems recently, and a huge amount of humanitarian aid) which was pointed out, is what a free government does...it helps the needy, hungry and homeless.....yes abolish the middle class(its existence is theoretical at best) but understand there are certain obligations as a free nation, whether you like it or not to help those who cant help themselves for whatever reason..IE the American way now go away....

I suppose I have to since you have to tag this thread with the disclaimer "Well, I just say things I don't mean anyway except when I mean them, except when I'm just saying them."

And as I have said before and actually said before and not changed my mind as I feel like it and misquote myself, I'm not a republican I'm a Libertarian. There is more than blue and red, and not being a Socialist does not make me a Republican anymore than not liking vanilla means I like strawberry. A view is a view and not necessarily a Republican view unless you don't know the other options out there.

 

[fantasticp]

I was a capitalist with socialistic tendencies... kind of a paradox I know but not as nearly narrow minded as you seem to be..

Just can't leave it alone. You are not a paradox you just can't keep your story straight. Good thing the internet has better memory than you do so others can read and see that.

 

[sick4x4]

Just can't leave it alone. You are not a paradox you just can't keep your story straight. Good thing the internet has better memory than you do so others can read and see that.

are you still here???? i think if you read the the scabies thread you will see i already stated that...."ok that was the end of my cultural anthropology lesson ::.....lets if we want to discuss this more start a new thread in the retreat.....as you can see i am a capitalist with very socialistic tendencies"..hum good memory is right.....now you should adhere to the thread protocols and take it to the WH or just go away again......

 

[fantasticp]

are you still here???? i think if you read the the scabies thread you will see i already stated that...."ok that was the end of my cultural anthropology lesson ::.....lets if we want to discuss this more start a new thread in the retreat.....as you can see i am a capitalist with very socialistic tendencies"..hum good memory is right.....now you should adhere to the thread protocols and take it to the WH or just go away again......

Well you can claim you are a "capitalist with socialistic tendencies" but until I see one capitalistic thought or idea come out of your keyboard I will beg to differ. Quoting yourself saying it does not prove anything.


I leave the thread with only the definition of anthropology:
-noun 1. the science that deals with the origins, physical and cultural development, biological characteristics, and social customs and beliefs of humankind.
2. the study of human beings' similarity to and divergence from other animals.
3. the science of humans and their works.
4. Also called philosophical anthropology. the study of the nature and essence of humankind.

None of what you said in the scabies thread had an ounce of study or barely a fact that aside. Mostly:

its called human rights ::..i think?....

we are a nation that rewards lazy but due to the pursuit of free rights as a people, the cost of such freedom is such?

Where was the lesson?

You then go on to say

when you tug on that humanity string in the hearts of Americans, its usally only the middle class that feels anything for it and they act accordingly.....

Then,

its my honest opinion, get rid of the middle class....but thats another debate altogether....

And today:

..middle class(its existence is theoretical at best....

First they are compassionate, then need to be destroyed, then, I've heard of them, but are they real?
Clearly proving that you only type to hear yourself speak. Bye!

 

[sick4x4]

i think socio-cultural anthropology is the word your looking for.....WH please....

 

[arachnocat]

This bill was amended yesterday to EXCLUDE flea markets and swap meets!
Here's the new version:
http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/ab_1122

I guess the animal show promoters were loud enough to be heard by the author. Thanks to everyone who sent letters and complained about this bill.
We're safe again... for now!

 

[Loudog760]

That's good because expos were included.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=152721&page=2&highlight=AB1122+Hearing