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Hi there,
don´t mind: i´m just venting some steam.
I´m actually just in the process of mating my Phoneutria keyserlingi´s. Might sound like a lucky thing to many of you, however, i DEFINITELY have another opinion about this:
Many people round the planet seem to enjoy reading updates about this genus.
Some people even never seem to get tired about running their noses bloody against my door with asking "can i buy this or that Phoneutria, preferably one of the most toxic species, please, and subadult / adult of course".
THIS, even i have since years stated i´m NOT a dealer.
Where are all those people THAT interested in the genus when it comes to breeding???
By now, there are two, maybe still three (??), breeders at all in Europe who are breeding "the genus" which means multiple species.
Nevertheless, even I receive a steady amount of "wanna buy" mails.
There are two other groups of people that bug me even more off:
1. People sitting on "breeding" material of rather rare species, like adult P. keyserlingi males. This persons don´t want to breed, nevertheless those are neither willing to part with their specimen, nor are they willing to attempt breeding by themselves.
They just let their breeders die by pure intent for no apparent reason.
2. People who are apparently not to the slightest degree knowing what they are doing but got somewhere hold of breeding material.
Next is for those persons to just go out asking "tell me everything about how to breed these" and if one does, they´ll just reply "hell, there´s no way i´ll do that, this is dangerous".
(Well, of course it is! What have you thought about keeping and BREEDING one of the most toxic and aggressive species on this planet?)
Finally they suck with the breeding attempt, get at least one specimen killed and are not ashamed to just knock at ones door again, this time inquiring "well, i somehow lost my male, surely you´ll sell me one, won´t you".
What´s coming out of all this mess is simply this and exactly this is what gets me raging, while my very own stems are doing fine:
THE SPECIES ARE DYING, right in front of your eyes. In all keepers enclosures.
What do you think where those spiders have come from? Doesn´t play a role, ha? They´re here anyway, so who cares...
By now, exactly two persons for Europe.
If my very own breeding will fail and that of that second breeder, that´s gonna be it, friends.
Well, not too dramatic, one might say, let´s just go out and get some new from the bushes.
Sure, most def with P. keyserlingi which is coming from Brazil. The guys over there would just be too happy to invite some people to come into their neck in the woods to just "steal" some spiders, especially given the Brazilian legal situation.
And: por que?
For some other people being able to keep them to death like it already has happened here several times?
To be able to just "execute" specimens in plain dumb breeding attempts because people just want to polish their egos through such, indeed having a real interest in the spider itself?
Even more annoying: steady inquiries from no-names who never ever seen any Phoneutria spp. in real life but want to get hold of ONLY P. FERA.
Not, because they can tell you in serious terms, WHY it has just to be THIS species, just because that guys have somewhere read that P. fera has a bad rep, so THIS is, OF COURSE, the species to go for for such people.
Really, really ennoying. We´re still talking about living beings here, folks. They belong and originate somewhere from and they are fragile. Care has to be taken to keep them alive and comfortable.
Efforts have to be taken to make them grow and even more efforts to make them reproduce.
What are YOU doing?
Think about this.
Greetings,
Stefan
don´t mind: i´m just venting some steam.
I´m actually just in the process of mating my Phoneutria keyserlingi´s. Might sound like a lucky thing to many of you, however, i DEFINITELY have another opinion about this:
Many people round the planet seem to enjoy reading updates about this genus.
Some people even never seem to get tired about running their noses bloody against my door with asking "can i buy this or that Phoneutria, preferably one of the most toxic species, please, and subadult / adult of course".
THIS, even i have since years stated i´m NOT a dealer.
Where are all those people THAT interested in the genus when it comes to breeding???
By now, there are two, maybe still three (??), breeders at all in Europe who are breeding "the genus" which means multiple species.
Nevertheless, even I receive a steady amount of "wanna buy" mails.
There are two other groups of people that bug me even more off:
1. People sitting on "breeding" material of rather rare species, like adult P. keyserlingi males. This persons don´t want to breed, nevertheless those are neither willing to part with their specimen, nor are they willing to attempt breeding by themselves.
They just let their breeders die by pure intent for no apparent reason.
2. People who are apparently not to the slightest degree knowing what they are doing but got somewhere hold of breeding material.
Next is for those persons to just go out asking "tell me everything about how to breed these" and if one does, they´ll just reply "hell, there´s no way i´ll do that, this is dangerous".
(Well, of course it is! What have you thought about keeping and BREEDING one of the most toxic and aggressive species on this planet?)
Finally they suck with the breeding attempt, get at least one specimen killed and are not ashamed to just knock at ones door again, this time inquiring "well, i somehow lost my male, surely you´ll sell me one, won´t you".
What´s coming out of all this mess is simply this and exactly this is what gets me raging, while my very own stems are doing fine:
THE SPECIES ARE DYING, right in front of your eyes. In all keepers enclosures.
What do you think where those spiders have come from? Doesn´t play a role, ha? They´re here anyway, so who cares...
By now, exactly two persons for Europe.
If my very own breeding will fail and that of that second breeder, that´s gonna be it, friends.
Well, not too dramatic, one might say, let´s just go out and get some new from the bushes.
Sure, most def with P. keyserlingi which is coming from Brazil. The guys over there would just be too happy to invite some people to come into their neck in the woods to just "steal" some spiders, especially given the Brazilian legal situation.
And: por que?
For some other people being able to keep them to death like it already has happened here several times?
To be able to just "execute" specimens in plain dumb breeding attempts because people just want to polish their egos through such, indeed having a real interest in the spider itself?
Even more annoying: steady inquiries from no-names who never ever seen any Phoneutria spp. in real life but want to get hold of ONLY P. FERA.
Not, because they can tell you in serious terms, WHY it has just to be THIS species, just because that guys have somewhere read that P. fera has a bad rep, so THIS is, OF COURSE, the species to go for for such people.
Really, really ennoying. We´re still talking about living beings here, folks. They belong and originate somewhere from and they are fragile. Care has to be taken to keep them alive and comfortable.
Efforts have to be taken to make them grow and even more efforts to make them reproduce.
What are YOU doing?
Think about this.
Greetings,
Stefan
