Update

[Kirk]

With my regalis, the prior owner had fed her nothing but mice, I have also had 2 others I purchased from a LPS and they had a wet molt, I asked wht they fed and they also said mice. So IMHO I think it is one of 2 things that cause it:

1. calcium

2. Chemicals they treat there mice with.

There is a huge debate on this so all we can do is kinda speculate at this point since there is no real scientific data. My P. regalis was missing hair, limbs were bent, when she molted the molt was thicker than her, almost like the Exco did not form properly.

Were they feeding it pinkies or juvenile/adult mice? I'd think the calcium content in pinkies would be pretty low. Little ossification would have occurred.

 

[robc]

I've had a wet molt from an Avicularia sp. that was only fed on invertebrates.

I don't think robc was saying that vertebrate prey was the sole reason for a wet molt, just that it could potentially be a factor.

I think it is one of many factors.

 

[DeathsPyro12]

Thanks all and honestly I'm not sure what caused it. This is the female P.ornata I bought from Ken(kenthebugguy) so I doubt he was feeding mice or anything, and she never ate for me since she got here. Actually she moves around a bit, I checked on her a little bit ago and she has cast off 2 of her legs and when I was looking in the ICU she started moving around. Even though her legs are crooked and all she is still willing to move around. Now I just have to check her fangs some how to find out whats doing there.

 

[jbm150]

I've had a wet molt from an Avicularia sp. that was only fed on invertebrates.

I don't think robc was saying that vertebrate prey was the sole reason for a wet molt, just that it could potentially be a factor.

I didn't think he was either, I was just feeling around. I honestly don't think vertebrates are necessarily the problem. They're not an uncommon prey item in the wild. Just reaching. Good to know about your avic. Well, it wasn't good that it happened but shows that it can happen in any spider.

 

[robc]

I didn't think he was either, I was just feeling around. I honestly don't think vertebrates are necessarily the problem. They're not an uncommon prey item in the wild. Just reaching. Good to know about your avic. Well, it wasn't good that it happened but shows that it can happen in any spider.

I honestly think it is the chemicals used to treat the mice for diseases (antibiotics ECT).....

 

[Redneck]

Glad to hear she is still moving around for you.. Hopefully you can possibly powerfeed her to the next molt..

Is powerfeeding a bad ideo after a bad molt? This is one for those that have experienced bad molts first hand.. If you have an opinion about speak your mind..

I am merely asking this to see if the OP should try and get his T into the next molt faster or should he baby her a little..

 

[robc]

Glad to hear she is still moving around for you.. Hopefully you can possibly powerfeed her to the next molt..

Is powerfeeding a bad ideo after a bad molt? This is one for those that have experienced bad molts first hand.. If you have an opinion about speak your mind..

I am merely asking this to see if the OP should try and get his T into the next molt faster or should he baby her a little..

If she will eat I would power feed her for sure!!

 

[Xian]

For those of us unfamiliar with the process that goes on in between the two 'skins' here is a quote from an old post. It doesn't really help us with the 'why' of wet molts, but is good information anyway......

Zoidberg from another forum explains this-

"In the weeks prior to molting a new exoskeleton forms underneath the old one. The new exoskeleton is ‘wrinkled/folded’ up underneath the old so that once the old ‘skin’ is shed it can be ‘pumped-up’ – resulting in the growth that you see. The new and old skins are separated by a watery liquid called “exuvial fluid” the composition and function of which is quite complex – I wont detail all, just the relevant bits! This fluid contains a bunch of enzymes that activate under hormonal control at various stages prior to actual molting; basically these enzymes dissolve the inside of the old skin (so allowing components to be re-absorbed) and completing the separation of old and new exoskeleton (a process called “apolysis”). In the hours prior to molting most of this fluid it absorbed leaving just a thin layer that acts as a lubricant and ‘moisturiser’ (to keep the new exoskeleton supple) making shedding (or ecdysis) easier."

Just food for thought for some.

 

[DeathsPyro12]

Well I'm going to try gently picking her up and get some pics of her fangs so I can get some more opinions because when I tried looking last night, it didn't look so good.
:wall:

 

[DeathsPyro12]

Well after checking on her a couple minutes ago my opinion is, not good. She wasn't anyway near as responsive as before, and she is curling her legs more, although not upside down so thats good-ish. Here are the pitures of what happend to her fangs.

Side ways pic, but better lighting.

 

[jbm150]

Oh buddy, I'm sorry, that looks bad

The stuff around her mouth looks like what happens with nematodes. Don't think it is though because her palps are free to move around. Just a really bad molt

 

[Jilly1337]

Oh buddy, I'm sorry, that looks bad

The stuff around her mouth looks like what happens with nematodes. Don't think it is though because her palps are free to move around. Just a really bad molt

That's what my first thought was too. Could nematodes have been there already and affected the molt? Poor thing. So sorry.

 

[Redneck]

Oh man that sucks!! Sorry to see that..

Can you tell if that stuff around the mouth is like moving at all?

I read somewhere with nematodes you might see movement..

 

[DeathsPyro12]

No its not moving at all, I tried lightly running a q-tip over it and it feels "meaty", I probably should have told you that with the pictures to.

 

[DeathsPyro12]

Opinions, anyone?

 

[Jilly1337]

I have NO experience with nematodes but I've read that if you swab the white stuff around the mouth and put it in alcohol, you can see them floating in it. I think it is more gooey than meaty though. It's worth a try. This is the strangest thing. I hope somebody comes up with something to help you.

 

[robc]

It almost looks like her mouth parts only partially formed...hard to tell but that's what it kinda looks like. Sad regardless...wish I had some ideas on what you could do to help her....

 

[forrestpengra]

does kind of look like nematodes.

When my B. smithi had them I could see movement. Do the swab and alcohol thing. Document with pictures.

If you have other Ts get them far away.

I've gone over this thread twice and still havn't seen any mention of it's last molt. Has it molted in your care since you got it from KenTheBugGuy? If it hasn't molted in their care then it's likely not a wet molt.

If it is nematodes there isn't much that can be done.

 

[Redneck]

does kind of look like nematodes.

When my B. smithi had them I could see movement. Do the swab and alcohol thing. Document with pictures.

If you have other Ts get them far away.

I've gone over this thread twice and still havn't seen any mention of it's last molt. Has it molted in your care since you got it from KenTheBugGuy? If it hasn't molted in their care then it's likely not a wet molt.

If it is nematodes there isn't much that can be done.

This is a bad molt.. The OP had another thread reguarding the molt.. This is just the update thread saying how the tarantula has been doing since the molt.. Obviously its a bad molt.. Possible wet molt even..

To the OP... How is she doing? Has any of that around her mouth cleared up any?

 

[DeathsPyro12]

Thanks for the help everyone. I think Rob was right because its not anything thats coming off, and what was stuck there before, she already got off. But I will update again when I get home in a few hours. Having to use the net on my phone right now.