unofficial Jeff C picture thread

[moricollins]

oooooh A. junodi yummy...... Philth, you take great shots of Jeff's critters

 

[Jeff_C]

Nice pics Tom! I guess I need to go away on vacation a little longer and I can get my whole collection digitized

How many people have a adult female Augacephalus junodi laying around there spider collection?

More importantly....does anyone have a mature male in their collection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

another Ceratogyrus sp. I bet Jeff hasn't evan discovered that this little fella matured yet.

I guess I have now Anybody want to venture a guess as to what species this is? Unfortunately I wasn't careful with the labeling so anyone guess is as good as mine but it's most likely either brachycephalus, bechuanicus or marshalli. I would guess brachycephalus myself.

Jeff

 

[common spider]

Cyriopagopus schioedtei

That T in that pic is so PIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!


Man I want that T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[T.Raab]

I guess I have now Anybody want to venture a guess as to what species this is? Unfortunately I wasn't careful with the labeling so anyone guess is as good as mine but it's most likely either brachycephalus, bechuanicus or marshalli. I would guess brachycephalus myself.

Hi,
i would guess C. sanderi or C. brachycephalus. The males are looking very similar (also the females - maybe they are one species with different hornvariants? ).

 

[phil]

Hi,
i would guess C. sanderi or C. brachycephalus. The males are looking very similar (also the females - maybe they are one species with different hornvariants? ).

I would agree with Timo, could be either or neither as with the males they are almost impossible to tell appart, I have seen pics of C.brachycephalus horn varients (Thomas Ezendam) from specimens photographed in the wild, but i would say in the hobby the horn shape is fairly stable between the sanderi and the brachycephalus shape. take some ventral pics showing the sub abdominal band (the cream band on the underside of the abdomen) C.brachycephalus should have a single band (just covering the forward most booklungs) and C.sanderi should have a double band covering all four booklungs, and to add to the confusion if that spider was purchased as "brachycephalus" it may not be 100% as many of the captive "brachcephalus" exhibit a double sub abdominal band so are not pure brachycephalus
Ceratogyrus pics

 

[Twysted]

I love the cyanognathus when they are slings... unfortunatly I did not snap any shots of mine when they were young... but they are still awsome looking T's when they are older..

 

[OldHag]

How many people have a adult female Augacephalus junodi laying around there spider collection?

I do

Jeff, if you find an adult male... send it my way when your girl is done!! My girl just shed Sunday and she's fir wanting some luv!

 

[Jeff_C]

I do

Jeff, if you find an adult male...

Of course...and vice versa (I hope). I wonder if any of the importers could help us out?

btw, where did you get yours from?

As for the brachycephalus...I will take some shots this w/e and I'm pretty sure I bought him as a 'brachycephalus' CB sling.

Jeff

 

[OldHag]

I actually got mine as a C. marshalli from some guy on Reptibid. I could tell right off the bat it wasnt a marshalli. I thought for a while it was a tan OBT. But then the black inner legs and the stoutness of them threw me off. Ive sent her exuviums to a few ppl and all have agreed shes junodi.
I have a few threads with pictures of her
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=48743
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=33425 <--scroll down for a good picture of her

Id like to know where that guy I bought her from got them... I remember his name but have no idea how to go about finding him...

 

[Jeff_C]

So after some investigation I've determined that my supposed C.brachycephalus is just that based on this:

C.brachycephalus should have a single band (just covering the forward most booklungs)

Off to the invertsonals I go...


Jeff

 

[phil]

So after some investigation I've determined that my supposed C.brachycephalus is just that based on this:



Off to the invertsonals I go...


Jeff

I take it from your reply that it has a single sub abdominal band, I would still be sceptical to call it C.brachycephalus, C.brachycephalus "hobby" perhaps, the protuberance to me looks very sanderi to me. here are some pics of my male C.brachycephalus

C.brachycephalus "hobby" female

C.brachycephalus "real" female

 

[Michael Jacobi]

Hmmmm. I'm going to have to drive to my shop and see what the abdominal band of the large female "brachycephalus" I have that I have been thinking is most likely C. sanderi due to the simple plug-like foveal protruberance. I just sent Jeff a PM regarding his available male, and it is likely that I have the same species. I'll snap a couple of photos too, but it's basically the "pet trade brachycephalus" that Phil illustrated... no anteriorly inclined protruberance; just a little mound. What is confusing me though is that Ingo and Timo's baboonspiders.de provides the same description for the abdominal pattern for both, as well as the "mask" around the ocular tubercle and the reddish spinnerets. I'll read through more of this and related threads later.

Cheers, Michael

 

[Michael Jacobi]

A couple of other comments on Jeff's spiders... That Avic is interesting looking; it doesn't look like the A. aurantiaca I have (no banding). Also, I could use the O. aureotibialis male too Jeff! It's nice to see that Jeff is keeping the C. lamanai on a "restricted diet"; their round abdomen is very distinctive and many specimens get very heavy so that the abdomen is huge and even more distinctly round.

Cheers, Michael

 

[Jeff_C]

I feel as if a big hand is going to come down and smack us for trying to ID Ts from photos


Anyway, Michael, I would gladly send you both Ts for IDing and breeding. As for the A. aurantiaca...it just recently molted but before that it looked more like this:

Jeff

 

[phil]

Hmmmm. I'm going to have to drive to my shop and see what the abdominal band of the large female "brachycephalus" I have that I have been thinking is most likely C. sanderi due to the simple plug-like foveal protruberance. I just sent Jeff a PM regarding his available male, and it is likely that I have the same species. I'll snap a couple of photos too, but it's basically the "pet trade brachycephalus" that Phil illustrated... no anteriorly inclined protruberance; just a little mound. What is confusing me though is that Ingo and Timo's baboonspiders.de provides the same description for the abdominal pattern for both, as well as the "mask" around the ocular tubercle and the reddish spinnerets. I'll read through more of this and related threads later.

Cheers, Michael

Hi
Jeff, there is no big hand, and no one is saying do not breed them, after all, your "brachycephalus" is the same as everyone elses, probably X sanderi at some point in the past, but if thats all we have in the hobby as C.brachy, then continue to breed them, I was only pointing out that i do not believe captive C.brachycephalus are pure.

I am quite certain that C.sanderi displays a double SAB. a few more pics on this subject below.
EDIT; I have just checked Timo's site, this is from sanderi
Dorsum of abdomen with dark pattern of bars, spots and reticulations. Venter of abdomen dark brown with with pale sub-abdominal band over and between anterior and posterior booklung covers.

The next two specimens are siblings, not bred by me.

 

[Jeff_C]

I was kind of pressed for time so I sent my male off to Michael without getting the ventral side pics. Hopefully, he'll be able to post some pics or at least confirm my ID of this T.

I just wish I could remember where I got it from :wall:



Jeff

 

[Michael Jacobi]

Jeff sent me his ultimate male Ceratogyrus sp. (pet trade "brachycephalus", possibly C. sanderi). Here are a photo of the dorsal and ventral aspect of his male, as well as the same views of my beautiful female I will attempt to breed him with. Of course, he could fit on top of her carapace! I would appreciate comments from those with a special interest/knowledge of harpactarine tarantulas as to their probable species. (Timo?, Richard?, Phil?, anyone?)

Cheers, Michael

 

[phil]

Jeff sent me his ultimate male Ceratogyrus sp. (pet trade "brachycephalus", possibly C. sanderi). Here are a photo of the dorsal and ventral aspect of his male, as well as the same views of my beautiful female I will attempt to breed him with. Of course, he could fit on top of her carapace! I would appreciate comments from those with a special interest/knowledge of harpactarine tarantulas as to their probable species. (Timo?, Richard?, Phil?, anyone?)

Cheers, Michael

Hi
to me you female looks like "hobby" C.brachycephalus with a double SAB yet the carapace is "yellow" like hobby brachycephalus where as true C.sanderi looks to have a more silver / grey carapace. pics;

C.sanderi, very short grey / silver setea

C.brachycephalus "hobby" yellow more shaggy setae with a sanderi type protuberance ranging through to brachycephalus "real" protuberance.

I know it's not conclusive, i have around 10 sub adult C.brachycephalus "hobby" and the horm & SAB varies between them all with one or two looking very close to the C.brachycephalus "real" with both SAB & protuberance, but siblings differ considerably.

Looking at the male pics, i could not say either way which it most resembles, the charachteristics suit C.sanderi, double SAB and low flat protuberance, but equally matches the discrepancies exhibited within the hobby C.brachycephalus, so it's anyones guess what the male is, if it was purchased as C.brachycephalus it is likely to be hobby spec

 

[Michael Jacobi]

Come to think of it, the C. sanderi I had a while back were greyish. They certainly were nowhere near as colorful as this large female, which is more like other "brachycephalus" I have had. Well, I'm labeling her photos and cage as Ceratogyrus brachycephalus 'hobby form'. That's good enough for me! And I will pair the male with her!

Cheers, Michael

 

[T.Raab]

Hi Phil,

dont give to much to colours.

@Michael: I have no comparison material saw for those "3 species" (C. brachycephalus; C. brachycephalus "hobby" and C. sanderi). I dont believe that there are "only" Hybrids of those species in the hobby, cause they are not really common (here in europe and i'm sure also in US).

I kept a specimen which i thought to be C. brachycephalus. It has a slighty forwarded but very small horn. Here a picture: click me
This speciemen had a double SAB (sanderi like) and a very yellowish carapace. (This is the reason why on baboonspiders is written that C. brachycephalus has a double SAB.)
If i would follow Phil it would be ID as C. brachycephalus "hobby" - but it was wildcaught female. I will ask the dealer i got for the detailed location where it was caught (he told me that he has exact locality data).

The specimen of C. brachycephalus witch has this single SAB are known from RSA (pers. comm. Gallon). But the species has a greater distribution then only RSA. It was found also in Botswana and Zimbabwe. C. sanderi is known from Zimbabwe and Namibia - supposably it occurs also in Botswana.
If i'm not wrong, i'm sure that De Wet & Dippenaar-Schoeman did not wrote anything about the SAB in their 1990 Revision of this genus. We actually know that the genus has horn variations, even De Wet & Dippenaar-Schoeman noticed that in their revision in 1990.

Maybe there are more variations in Ceratogyrus then we thought or there are some close related species?