Scuttlebutt
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Haha true. Maybe they justify the price because **THE TANK IS INCLUDED!!**
Uhh, tarantula and snake cohabitation?!
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madamoisele
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I've seen videos of tarantulas killing or dragging snakes before - I'd be far more concerned for the corn snake's safety. Fortunately it's a rosie -maybe it's on a fast?
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Most snakes are almost as easy as tarantulas to care for. Warm side, water dish, weekly or bi-weekly feeding and a couple of hides. Bedding could be paper towels, repticarpet or my favorite aspen (most love to burrow in it IME). The enclosure can be a sterilite tub or a nice aquarium. It doesn't have to be huge or anything either. If you do some research you can get a good idea on sizes for snake enclosures. The hard part is the expense of feeding as frozen thawed (recommended) prey items can be pricey. Unless you have the stomach to start a breeding colony of mice and kill them off to feed to the snake which I don't!
Certain species need higher humidity but you'll know when you see them lying in the water dish. Unlike spiders many enjoy a light misting as well!
Okay, not as easy as a tarantula but far from hard! Certain tree snakes need UVB and heat lamps etc... but your average popular/common snake species wont need anymore and possibly less than what I already described.
Now, I must mention I don't own any snakes but I work with them at work and have spent many hours researching them. I think they're awesome. I love holding them, there's a feeling that I get when holding a snake that I don't get holding any other animals. I love them! But I'm not allowed to get them living here and I can't afford anything right now anyway...
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The Tarantula would more likely eat the snake. I seen it done a long time ago. The snake won't eat it because it has no eye lids and the hairs would mess it up real bad. They stay away from each other because it isn't worth the fight to either one. If they did come into fighting the Tarantula would bite the snake while the snake just try to escape. The Tarantula will eventually eat most of the snake and leave a gross messy partly devoured snake. Rose Hair v.s. Gopher Snake = Rose Hair ate way too much snake. Seen it happen. Oh ya and the snake does see the Tarantula it is just not wanting to die. The former snake was way bigger than the size/weight of the Rose Hair.
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The snake is too big to be eaten and probably wouldn't be damaged by the weak venom.
There are so many unintelligent people in this world, though. Nothing surprises me anymore...
There are so many unintelligent people in this world, though. Nothing surprises me anymore...
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Back when I was 16-18 I used to keep day geckos, frogs, and tailless whip scorpions in the same 80 gallon tank with no issues. Even had a caecilian living in my substrate. My day geckos and amblypygids both bred multiple times and I never witnessed one eating the others offspring.
Of course this is before I knew a bit better and felt like testing more boundaries without caution. In my case it worked and in this case of the snake and tarantula it worked as well.
Of course this is before I knew a bit better and felt like testing more boundaries without caution. In my case it worked and in this case of the snake and tarantula it worked as well.
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I'd like to take that tank, remove the inhabitants, set them up individually, and care for them properly.
Contrary to what some have suggested, a corn snake is not going to eat a tarantula. That said, I'm assuming the person that posted this ad has no clue how to care for either animal. Why anybody would do this is beyond me. These are different animals with different care requirements, the snake could accidentally injure the tarantula simply moving around, the tarantula could bite the snake, the T could could drown in the snakes water dish, both animals could be perpetually stressed...this is just the beginning of a long list of reasons why you wouldn't keep them together.
Kazaam
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What the actual $#&^Q#$
Alltheworld601
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I've seen geckos and scorpions cohabitate....why not snakes and Ts? I wouldn't try it myself, but it doesn't seem to be too far fetched. They're in a huge tank, it appears they probably don't run into each other very much. They eat different types of food...its a little ecosystem in there. Neat experiment. I'd be more worried about the urticating hairs affecting the snake than either of them ever eating the other.
More likely the snake would be food than the spider. Corn snakes are not a species that eat insects or inverts, but a T who gets hungry enough will try to eat anything.
Either way it is not something I would do at all. I've seen some great cohab tanks using frogs and fish and such but a spider and a snake? Not a great idea, IMO.
Either way it is not something I would do at all. I've seen some great cohab tanks using frogs and fish and such but a spider and a snake? Not a great idea, IMO.
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But it's not an ecosystem. It's very far from it. Can we at least acknowledge that the ideal captive husbandry conditions for these animals don't match up at all? I'm not saying different species can't successfully cohabitate...but a G. Rosea and a corn snake? Since one species is native to the Southeast US and the other to the Atacama Desert, what exactly would be the point? Lets say they don't harm or kill one another. That doesn't mean either one is thriving.
spiderengineer
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very valid point
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I kinda wish I could get it myself and separate them. I'd want to keep the Rosie myself, the snake would need another owner. . Damn I wish taxes would get here soon lol!
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Thanks. I don't mean to discount what I believe was a valid point from njnolan, alltheworld, etc, in that its very possible these two animals might not hurt each other. But would housing them together be caring for them properly? No.
not saying the snake does not see the tarantula I am saying the tarantula isn't warm blooded therefore wouldn't invoke a feeding response. I know with corn snakes and rat snakes they only eat warm blooded prey thats why pre killed mice have to be sat in warm water for awhile to get the body temp up to get the feeding response. If the snake decided to eat the T it could no problem being bigger and stronger and an ambush predator T would never see it coming on the same page if T decided it wants to eat the snake given the snake has very few natural defense mechanisms it couldn't fight back and would be lunch quickly my prediction is snake is not gonna try to eat the rose hair but the rose hair might get sick of it's presence and kill the snake
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Also T venom is weak to humans that doesn't mean it wouldn't kill a snake that weighs less then a pound from my understanding T venom is very capable of killing small mammals like house cats
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Hmm, the TKG never mentioned this setup. I better get each of my Ts their own pet snake.
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That's mad, I would never think of doing that myself, but it seems to work in this instance, I would get worried if the T started molting and the snake is wandering around, as spiderengineer said if it was an LP or T,blondi/stirmi the snake probably have a fight on its hands.
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This. Idk why T venom potency is always brought up, as if their effectiveness against humans means their venom won't affect anything else. A LP's venom can put an adult mouse out in only a few seconds, I should think it could have pretty strong impact on a snake as well.
spiderengineer
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T venom potency is always relative to what is getting injected with it. smaller dosage can have more damaging effects to a small animal or child than a small dosage of the same venom to a much larger animal human. not to mention a mouse or small animal is not just getting injected with venom. the fangs are also lethal in a sense. to us they are pin prick, but to a mouse if stab in the right place I would imagine it would be comparable to be stabbed for us
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A very strange thing no doubt. I suspect he got sick of one, and thought that one would eat the other. Must to his surprise they became Milo and Otis.
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I think there may be a little species sensitivity as well, and size doesn't always mean the venom will make short work of the prey. For instance T. blondi venom has a very strong impact on rodents. While as small as some roaches are, being fed to the same T. blondi, they're still kicking 30 minutes later.
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I think there may be a little species sensitivity as well, and size doesn't always mean the venom will make short work of the prey. For instance T. blondi venom has a very strong impact on rodents. While as small as some roaches are, being fed to the same T. blondi, they're still kicking 30 minutes later.
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