The phrase "He who kisses she who rules he who rules' ass" is ringing in my head like a gong.Originally posted by skinheaddave
It isn't us, or even Scott, you have to worry about. Debby is the one that'll get you.
While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I thought I might take this opportunity to clear a small point up...Originally posted by kellygirl
By the way, t man, may I introduce you to Tom (Mister Internet)... one of our MODERATORS. ;P :}
Our moderators were hand picked by the webmaster, Scott (mrderanged), and I tend to think he has a good judge of character. If any of them were ever out of line, Scott would take care of it. Otherwise, don't question the moderators.
Best to leave the smuggling to your neighbours, they seem to do a fine job of it. I'm amazed every year at the new spiders that have made it into Europe each and every year, many from countries it's illegal to export inverts from. Disgusting to be Frank.Originally posted by Pyrdacor
BTW, I'm from Germany, Hannover exactly as you can see on the left. And knowing german officials and especially the laws of lower saxony where Hannover is siuatued I can tell you, you were damn lucky not to get caught at the airport. Smuggling out animals of any kind in this country isn't just a small offense.
That's your opinion. But smuggling has different sides. It really puts the hobby in a bad light, but if there weren't some people who simply took the risk, and smuggled some species over the border, we would have much less different species of tarantulas.Originally posted by Steve Nunn
Best to leave the smuggling to your neighbours, they seem to do a fine job of it. I'm amazed every year at the new spiders that have made it into Europe each and every year, many from countries it's illegal to export inverts from. Disgusting to be Frank.
Yes, it is, isn't it.Originally posted by dennie
That's your opinion.
Everybody wants P. regalis too... you think they get captive bred or harvested? The answer is HARVESTED, because it still is, and will ALWAYS be cheaper than captive breeding. Just because you want a new T every time you turn around is hardly justification for mass harvesting and breaking international law... sure, some of the exportation laws are crap, I'm not arguing as to their validity. What I AM saying is that if you're going to argue the laws, at least argue on the merits of the laws... don't resort to the juvenile "If they didn't break the laws, we wouldn't have these cool new T's!!!" argument... it just makes you look silly. If you think the ends justifies the means where the invert hobby is concerned, you have an incredibly selfish view of the animals you're keeping, IMO.Originally posted by dennie
That's your opinion. But smuggling has different sides. It really puts the hobby in a bad light, but if there weren't some people who simply took the risk, and smuggled some species over the border, we would have much less different species of tarantulas.
For example, P. miranda/metallica, everyone wants one, (it sitll is a lot of money) therefore it will be bred a lot, so the illegal imports will eventually stop, or at least decrease. If we haven't had those smugglers, we wouldn't have those cool species either...
Wow, don't get me wrong now guys!Originally posted by Mister Internet
I could continue to critique this post, but I don't feel that would solve anything, given your mindset... you kind of have to decide to change the way you think, there's not much I can do except hope that you haven't had the chance to influence anyone else to think the same way.
Originally posted by dennie
Wow, don't get me wrong now guys!
I am against the harvesting of the species. I know about the huge amount of G. rosea being exported every year, and if there was anything I could do against it, I would, really.
And for me being selfish, and saying the harvesting of species is okay .... nah. The only WC spider I have is a G. rosea, all my other spiders are CB. And I just think it's good to at least let a few rare species hit the market, so that they can be bred... And I don't really care what you, or anybody else thinks about this, it's just how I think about it.
But i'll try to stop now, because this discussion will never end i guess .
Sounds nice, doesn't it. What people forget is that you now have one bloodline being captive bred. Unless you continue to bring in fresh specimens to breed, you will reach a genetic meltdown at some point. Basically, this view is shortsighted to say the least.Okay, so I take two of X from the wild. Even in rare populations this isn't much. I am a master breeder, so in no time I have plenty of X and then ta-da we have a population of CB X in North America and we needn't harvest from the wild at all.
Point takenOriginally posted by Pyrdacor
Steve, I didn't actually say that there is no possibility to smuggle also in Germany, what I just ment is that you have to bear hard consequences IF you get caught.