Trinidad Dwarf Tiger Rump

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Hi everybody! I'm a soon to be first time tarantula owner. I'm planning on getting the C.Elegans or the Trinidad Dwarf Tiger rump as my first tarantula due to its docile nature. Anyone here ever been an owner to one? Can I get some help on what I should do to prepare for one? What to feed it? Anything you'd like to share from your experience! Any help is super appreciated!!! Thank you
 

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They are TINY as slings but have a fearsome feeding response. Mine happily took pinhead crickets and is now onto second instars. If you are worried about feeding live to such a tiny sling, they will happily scavenge freshly killed crickets, cricket legs, pieces of mealworm etc
 

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They are TINY as slings but have a fearsome feeding response. Mine happily took pinhead crickets and is now onto second instars. If you are worried about feeding live to such a tiny sling, they will happily scavenge freshly killed crickets, cricket legs, pieces of mealworm etc
Oh I didnt know that buts thats good to know! I've been contemplating on either getting a 1/4 inch tiny sling or a 1 inch semi adult to start off with!
 
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Hi
main thing with C elegans is patience.
They burrow and you won't see them much.I have 5 and have seen some of them once or twice for the 6 mounts with me.
few pics below to give you idea on size and housing as small slings.
My biggest one the day I got them in 1oz pot with diameter of 3cm
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Now after 3 moults
in same pot. Their size is around 1cm DLS
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Regards Konstantin
 

wolfkissed

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Hi
main thing with C elegans is patience.
They burrow and you won't see them much.I have 5 and have seen some of them once or twice for the 6 mounts with me.
few pics below to give you idea on size and housing as small slings.
My biggest one the day I got them in 1oz pot with diameter of 3cm
View attachment 372596
Now after 3 moults
in same pot. Their size is around 1cm DLS
View attachment 372597
Regards Konstantin
good to know thank you!
 

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They're really small and you will rarely see them IME. They're not particularly feisty or defensive and grow relatively fast, although they never get very big I don't think. Mine went from under 1/8" to about 1/2" inch in about 4 molts since this summer. They're cool looking spiders though, not a bad first choice. Feed it any kind of insects from but prey killed or cut up pieces until it gets a bit bigger if you go for the smaller specimen
 

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Oh I didnt know that buts thats good to know! I've been contemplating on either getting a 1/4 inch tiny sling or a 1 inch semi adult to start off with!
Im going to be honest with you. Most new owners of NORMAL sized slings/Ts have more questions and "issues" when owning a sling than I care to mention.

People that get a dwarf T as a FIRST T and as a sling are in for even more anxiety generally speaking. Many people end up with dead dwarf Ts because they have no idea what the hell they are doing as it's their first.

Get a G. pulchripes, easy to keep, far less nervous than what you are looking at. This species isn't that docile IME. It's not a highly defensive T, but if you are REMOTELY thinking of bonding/handling etc these exotic animals stop right there- get a dog.

G. pulchripes are bulletproof to raise.
 

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Im going to be honest with you. Most new owners of NORMAL sized slings/Ts have more questions and "issues" when owning a sling than I care to mention.

People that get a dwarf T as a FIRST T and as a sling are in for even more anxiety generally speaking. Many people end up with dead dwarf Ts because they have no idea what the hell they are doing as it's their first.

Get a G. pulchripes, easy to keep, far less nervous than what you are looking at. This species isn't that docile IME. It's not a highly defensive T, but if you are REMOTELY thinking of bonding/handling etc these exotic animals stop right there- get a dog.

G. pulchripes are bulletproof to raise.
Pall you could just answer their post asking for general advice on the species without the condescending tone. You don't know the specifics of their situation or their intentions. Unnecessary.
 

wolfkissed

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Im going to be honest with you. Most new owners of NORMAL sized slings/Ts have more questions and "issues" when owning a sling than I care to mention.

People that get a dwarf T as a FIRST T and as a sling are in for even more anxiety generally speaking. Many people end up with dead dwarf Ts because they have no idea what the hell they are doing as it's their first.

Get a G. pulchripes, easy to keep, far less nervous than what you are looking at. This species isn't that docile IME. It's not a highly defensive T, but if you are REMOTELY thinking of bonding/handling etc these exotic animals stop right there- get a dog.

G. pulchripes are bulletproof to raise.
Listen viper69, you're being unimaginably condescending for absolutely no reason! I came on here asking for genuine help from people who have owned Trinidad dwarfs before. You're saying many of those slings dies cause people don't know what they're doing. Well here I am, asking for help before actually getting one! I'm a new comer to Tarantula keeping, it's literally why I made this post to ask for help. And because I'm a newcomer I would prefer a docile tarantula. Yes I know tarantula aren't for bonding and cuddling I'm not an idiot. Spiders have been one of my favorite animals since I was a child. Even tho I'm a new time owner it doesn't mean I'm a full on idiot. I know Trinidad dwarfs are also usually not keen for handling. That's completely fine, I never mentioned anywhere I was planning to handle it.
 

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I personally see my little .3in little bugger out everyday, it has become a little terrestrial display dwarf, at least for now. But this is not what most people’s experience is.

but that being said I do not think this is a smart first tarantula purchase, as viper said, it may amplify the normal problems of a first time keeper. And more likely than not yours will be characteristically reclusive which makes a first time keeper not sure what is going on or what to do, that comes with experience . I love dwarfs and Cyriocosmus through and through but I wouldn’t recommend as a first T. That being said it can be done I’m sure? I just believe there are better choices.
 

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I personally see my little .3in little bugger out everyday, it has become a little terrestrial display dwarf, at least for now. But this is not what most people’s experience is.

but that being said I do not think this is a smart first tarantula purchase, as viper said, it may amplify the normal problems of a first time keeper. And more likely than not yours will be characteristically reclusive which makes a first time keeper not sure what is going on or what to do, that comes with experience . I love dwarfs and Cyriocosmus through and through but I wouldn’t recommend as a first T. That being said it can be done I’m sure? I just believe there are better choices.
You're answer is a bit more helpful. I understand they're reclusive and are usually more active within the night. That isn't an issue with me at all. I want to do the right research before getting one so I know what I'm getting into.
 

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I personally see my little .3in little bugger out everyday, it has become a little terrestrial display dwarf, at least for now. But this is not what most people’s experience is.

but that being said I do not think this is a smart first tarantula purchase, as viper said, it may amplify the normal problems of a first time keeper. And more likely than not yours will be characteristically reclusive which makes a first time keeper not sure what is going on or what to do, that comes with experience . I love dwarfs and Cyriocosmus through and through but I wouldn’t recommend as a first T. That being said it can be done I’m sure? I just believe there are better choices.
Which is sound advice, but the rudeness above certainly proves no help.
 

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@Weredevil @wolfkissed you guys also need to understand that while you may not like vipers delivery he is trying to help you OP and has the best interest of the animal. He’s telling you how it is, and it’s blunt, he was not trying to hurt your feelings, so take them out of the equation. I get it you want a specific answer but when what you want is kinda not a good idea and can be avoided, members on AB are going to tell you, and there’s no way around that. Just a general rule of thumb, feelings don’t reign supreme on AB, proper care and well being of these creatures does.
 

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Pall you could just answer their post asking for general advice on the species without the condescending tone. You don't know the specifics of their situation or their intentions. Unnecessary.
I provided a factual answer of something I have observed here over decades. Have you done the same here as a lurker for a couple decades before you joined today? Condescending is subjective.

Listen viper69, you're being unimaginably condescending for absolutely no reason! I came on here asking for genuine help from people who have owned Trinidad dwarfs before. You're saying many of those slings dies cause people don't know what they're doing. Well here I am, asking for help before actually getting one! I'm a new comer to Tarantula keeping, it's literally why I made this post to ask for help. And because I'm a newcomer I would prefer a docile tarantula. Yes I know tarantula aren't for bonding and cuddling I'm not an idiot. Spiders have been one of my favorite animals since I was a child. Even tho I'm a new time owner it doesn't mean I'm a full on idiot. I know Trinidad dwarfs are also usually not keen for handling. That's completely fine, I never mentioned anywhere I was planning to handle it.
You are taking things too personally. I never suggested you were an idiot. If you feel I have - please quote me where I specifically wrote that, and report me to the board owners. They see everything that is typed here, even when one deletes text to prevent others from seeing- they still see it.

I'm merely being factual, not condescending- check your emotions at the door. Generally speaking I'm not overly concerned with one's emotions on this forum. All I care about is the animals that people come to discuss. If that means I write something that disagrees with you, and is in the best interests of whatever animal you may own, that's OK, and it's not personal.

I provided a species that is quite docile for exactly the reason you mentioned "I'm a newcomer". See, I took your lack of experience in mind when I examined your first post and provided an alternative that is easier to care for. Dwarfs always raise anxiety for owners, esp for new owners. Does that mean if you get a dwarf it will die..big fat NOPE. does that mean you will be more anxious NOPE. I merely provide some information based on the experience of my observations over the course of time here, nothing more or less.

Also, I have news for you- there are plenty of people who come here claiming things that are not possible with Ts as they search for their docile T. I don't have the time to type examples- search for it if you like.

So get whatever you want, it's the animal's life on your hands, not others.
 

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@ wolfkissed / Weredevil

Tips should help, it's not about telling someone what they want to hear. If you don't recognize a tip, make your own experiences, but don't complain later if it was a frustrating experience!
Why do you go to social media with so much inappropriate emotion?
I keep C. elegans and start with a sling of this species... You will not see anything for a long time when you look into the enclosure, for a long time... If you are then plagued with impatience, you will stress the spider. It is not meant badly if an experienced spider keeper advises against it, there is definitely a good reason!
If you can't be convinced, you'd better choose an adult animal. They are less susceptible and more visible, so that you also have something from your animal!
 

wolfkissed

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I provided a factual answer of something I have observed here over decades. Have you done the same here as a lurker for a couple decades before you joined today? Condescending is subjective.



You are taking things too personally. I never suggested you were an idiot. If you feel I have - please quote me where I specifically wrote that, and report me to the board owners. They see everything that is typed here, even when one deletes text to prevent others from seeing- they still see it.

I'm merely being factual, not condescending- check your emotions at the door. Generally speaking I'm not overly concerned with one's emotions on this forum. All I care about is the animals that people come to discuss. If that means I write something that disagrees with you, and is in the best interests of whatever animal you may own, that's OK, and it's not personal.

I provided a species that is quite docile for exactly the reason you mentioned "I'm a newcomer". See, I took your lack of experience in mind when I examined your first post and provided an alternative that is easier to care for. Dwarfs always raise anxiety for owners, esp for new owners. Does that mean if you get a dwarf it will die..big fat NOPE. does that mean you will be more anxious NOPE. I merely provide some information based on the experience of my observations over the course of time here, nothing more or less.

Also, I have news for you- there are plenty of people who come here claiming things that are not possible with Ts as they search for their docile T. I don't have the time to type examples- search for it if you like.

So get whatever you want, it's the animal's life on your hands, not others.
listen pal. ur tone is condescending. the things u write like " oh get a dog instead", like u understand that this is condencesing and ur making it seem like i just want this animal for its aesthetics. i know u have the best intentions in mind for the animal and so do i. as much as i want to get a larger tarantula as my first (i wanted to get the purple pink toe) i am unable to due to my family being absolutely terrified of larger breeds. in the end, all you could have literally wrote to me was this, "i dont reccomend starting off with dwarfs at all in my experience, try getting the golden knee instead. they're hardy, docile and great for first time owners." see how simple that was? i would've taken that in stride. in the end ur post isnt reportable lol, its really not that deep. all im saying is i dont need someone coming for my throat when all i asked was a simple question. get some humanity and empathy dude. it'll do u wonders.
 

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Tips should help, it's not about telling someone what they want to hear. If you don't recognize a tip, make your own experiences, but don't complain later if it was a frustrating experience!
Why do you go to social media with so much inappropriate emotion?
I keep C. elegans and start with a sling of this species... You will not see anything for a long time when you look into the enclosure, for a long time... If you are then plagued with impatience, you will stress the spider. It is not meant badly if an experienced spider keeper advises against it, there is definitely a good reason!
If you can't be convinced, you'd better choose an adult animal. They are less susceptible and more visible, so that you also have something from your animal!
no i understand whay viper was saying. im taking everyone's comments into my mind and formualting whether i should go ahead with getting one as my first. in the end, i know vipers intentions are for the animal, but there was no need for the condescending tone and acting like im just a child who wants a pretty animal. people are telling me its, others are saying its not. like i said to them, all he coudlve told me was to please not make this my first time tarantula because of a,b,c. and like i said i understand the behaviour of these species, its fine. im not impatient. i've also told them i want a larger tarantula from the start but the issue is my family is extremely terrified of them and i'm trying to keep them in mind when getting a spider. you should still realize with social media is that theres a human behind the screen, with feeligns and emotions. im not a robot. in real life, do you talk to people like theyre a waste of space and without empathy? no obviously not! then why do you not extend the courtesy and manners onto those on the internet. its not me coming in here with inappropiate emotions. its me respecting others and wanting the same respect back. this is how we should be. regardless thank u for ur input
 

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This is arachnoboards not Facebook. If you can stop thinking about yourself for two seconds and think about the bigger picture- newcomers posting on here constantly asking about their first tarantula and wanting to hold it. People that aren’t hobbyists believing handling is necessary- pictures of dead and dropped tarantulas, bite reports. He said If you are thinking about handling it- get a dog. You don’t have to take all of this so personally. Go around, search the forums and read more on the site. It seems like you could have just searched beginner species or cyriocosmus elegans in the search function and gotten your answers there, but instead you felt the need to make your own thread here and then get really mad at the responses. Try to let that anger go. You’re gonna get what you get, this is a place to learn about spiders and the hobby, not a place bicker and mope because someone with decades of experience told you what’s up.

Nobody came for your throat.

Use the search function. Spend some more time on here and this will make more sense to you. You’re going to buy whatever you want, and Viper is just trying to prevent you from having more anxiety, then posting on here asking basic questions that have been answered countless times.
 

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Would highly recommend getting a t albo first and getting it through 2-3 molts (2-5 months in personal experience) before you start on c elegans. t albo are extremely cheap and sturdy, imo great for getting past the new keeper hiccups that you can only understand through experience. After you get through a few successful molts of T albo you should be fine with anything, given you do enough research.
 
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Hi
While everything said earlier is true and those tiny reclusive slings can give a new keeper a lot of anxiety (I was anxious too when I got mine).They live underground and fill up quickly before they close their burrows.They dehydrate very easy in that small sizes so there should be some moisture in substrate at all times.Pray size for them is sth else too.Apart from the sling size they are quite bullet proof and hardy imo.
OP said he/she will try to source a juvenile or a well started sling earlier.That should not be too bad for him and the animal.
Also if OPs family are terrified by larger species it may be worth considering some of the slow growing species too .Aphonopelma ,Brachypelma and some Grammostola sp slings will take years to reach adulthood and full size.In those years your family will get used to the spiders and and grow with them as will you.
My girlfriend has always been terrified of spiders. When I got my first tarantula(7 inch Lasiodora Parahybana) and I got "You are not gettinng THAT are you !?!?!" but now 60 tarantulas later she takes them as part of the interior of the bedroom and is not bothered at all.
Just sth for you to consider if you want bigger tarantulas in future.
Regards Konstantin
 
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