Tliltocatl vagans hobby form

[Mountaindani]

I was given this sling as a freebie and I watched it molt a few times now. But, I am curious about the blue legs that I'm seeing poke out. Is that a T. vagans sling stage or what? I'm pretty happy with how much it's grown

 

[Liquifin]

T. vagans has a hobby form?

 

[NMTs]

I've noticed that my T's that are black often appear to have a blueish tint after molting until they harden up sufficiently, then they're black again. I'm assuming that's what you're noticing here.

 

[Mountaindani]

I've noticed that my T's that are black often appear to have a blueish tint after molting until they harden up sufficiently, then they're black again. I'm assuming that's what you're noticing here.

Thank you! That's exactly what I'm referring to.

T. vagans has a hobby form?

Yes they do.

 

[Liquifin]

Yes they do.

So, is it labeled as hobby form to distinct itself from the Campeche locale of T. vagans? Or is there something truly different about it?

 

[Mountaindani]

I'm sorry, there are people more knowledgeable about it that can explain it, I'm sure. I tried to find my email from Amanda, she explained it to me. I'll keep looking.

 

[Arachnophobphile]

The only T I've heard of referred to as 'hobby form' is the Honduran Tliltocatl albopilosus no other tarantula. At least I've never read a hobby form for any others.

Hobby form was pinned to distinguish Honduran from Nicaraguan T. albopilosus.

Supposedly Honduran T. albopilosus has muddy genes from along time ago. That's about all I know on the subject.

T. vagans does not have a hobby form.

Brachypelma Albopilosum hobby form vs true form

Can someone please explain this to me? What are the differences? How can i tell one from another? and identify which is which. If anyone could show me pictures of the 2 that would really great :) Thanks! Abby.

arachnoboards.com

 

[Mountaindani]

The ones they are selling now are true T. vagans from Mexico locality. This one could have been labeled hobby form because the blood line isn't as certain. I'm not sure. I know I was curious enough about it to ask the breeder who gave it to me. But too forgetful to remember what she said. I really like my little sling.

 

[Liquifin]

The ones they are selling now are true T. vagans from Mexico locality. This one could have been labeled hobby form because the blood line isn't as certain.

Are you saying they changed the labeling?

 

[Mountaindani]

I know the breeders are top notch, with a great reputation. I am not sure why this particular sling was labeled hobby form. I don't want to do them a disservice by giving a bad explanation. The T. vagans on their site when I got my freebie was not labeled the same. Now the Mexican locality is mentioned.

 

[Liquifin]

I know the breeders are top notch, with a great reputation. I am not sure why this particular sling was labeled hobby form. I don't want to do them a disservice by giving a bad explanation. The T. vagans on their site when I got my freebie was not labeled the same. Now the Mexican locality is mentioned.

I think it was re-labeled as a way to get in with the trend of the Mexico Export Ban that happened recently. It's probably a marketing strategy to try and sell them despite being the typical T. vagans most likely. Now, I'm not knocking another business's hustle in the tarantula market. I'm not saying "hobby form" or Mexico locale is a bad label. It's just confusing to me.

 

[Mountaindani]

I doubt it's a hustle and people with far more knowledge about breeding could explain it to you better. Or perhaps people who are familiar with this breeder and the work they do with the Mexican localities. Like I said, I don't know. If you like I can dm you the breeders name and you can look at the site.

 

[Wolfram1]

Well, i think there is acctually a good reason for this.

People i have talked to that have been in the hobby for a long long time have told me they would not breed T. vagans at all because as you all know there was likely some form of Hybridisation between T. albopilosus and T. vagans in the past.

Possible even other Hybridisations and while most animals seem to visualy represent the correct species it is impossible to tell if they have a little bit of foreign DNA in them.

So whether they are labled as "Hobby Form" or not, if they are not from one of the new imports with a known locality, they are avoided like the pest by some breeders.

In an effort to keep the two groups seperate, it makes sense to lable the older ones previously known just as T. vagans distinctly as well.

 

[Jesse607]

T. vagans "Campeche" has known and "pure" genetics. The T. vagans around the hobby before the more recent Campeche imports could have mixed genetics with other T. vagans lookalikes since some breeders may not have been able to differentiate between the very similar looking species. Hence "hobby form". This does not necessarily mean that all or most vagans are mutts/hybrids, but some people treat them all as such.

 

[viper69]

I've noticed that my T's that are black often appear to have a blueish tint after molting until they harden up sufficiently, then they're black again. I'm assuming that's what you're noticing here.

Same

 

[Mountaindani]

The legs are black now. I love how much you can learn from one question!

 

[Mike Withrow]

Mine did the exact same thing as a sling. I've got pictures posted on here of mine as sling and you can see the blue on its legs.