The value of a tarantula?

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Is what a person is willing to pay for it.

I remember when many species were less than 50$. I also remember when P mets were first hatched here, and they were 499.00$ a sling too. i waited many decades for them to be affordable for me. Their sacs were living gold back then, that was in the late 1990's if I recall. Kelly Swift was the first in the USA to crack the code to breed them.

Then I remember I. mira being another "rare", super pricey T, selling for 500$. I waited "eons", picked up a sling for 40$ turned out to be female- lucky me- one and done.

Over time I've seen common species double in price, some more so, not all of them, but many. Shipping costs have increased for sure. Beyond that I can't say why costs have increased so much for species that are bred here in the USA that are commonly bred etc- it's not the part of the hobby I research too often. Again, not all have increased, but most have.

Every so often I go out on the net to see what's the latest HIGH prices. I've seen prices 300-500$ for more than quite a few years unfortunately.

However, today takes the cake. There's someone out there selling a T for 10,000$, that's ridiculous to me.They claim it's captive bred too, and there are only 20 in the USA supposedly. I don't know how hard it was to breed this specimen (assuming that info is accurate) or the original costs of removing this species from the wild- that's an entirely different, and SHORT story.

I'd never drop that much on any animal.

It's a pretty T for sure. The specimen looks quite similar to Hapalopus formosus (formerly Hapalopus sp. Colombia Large).

I was talking with a scientist and there's a 7" species that looks like H. formosus. It's not in the hobby, and maybe never will be as no one knows about it but scientists. I hope not it doesn't enter the hobby because I'm sure it will be $15,000 :bored: :rolleyes: :vomit:
 
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The value.

it is definitely a factor.

the rarety, what someone with a lot is money is ready to put down just to be the one to have it.

Canada and USA, we are neighbors. Yet our laws and importation taxes make getting a simple item quite difficult.

why cant i, trade with you? Why cant i, just do as i please. If i do not break any laws that involve poaching.

Aphonopelmas might be cheap in USA, here they are so expensive. Of course, shipping and importation regulations. Duty.

in the case of the spider you mention, its rarety case. And also, someone trying to make a buck; the buyer, trying to get a pension plan by perhaps breeding it?

if prices on tarantulas were controlled this wouldnt happen. But thats utopic. Impossible.

maybe im drifting from your objective.

but value is quite a reality.

mature pulchra, 300$ cad? H chilensis, less then an inch, 200$ 😇
 
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The value.

it is definitely a factor.

the rarety, what someone with a lot of money if ready to put down just to be the one to have it.

Canada and USA, we are neighbors. Yet our laws and importation taxes make getting a simple item quite difficult.

why cant i, trade with you? Why cant i, just do as i please. If i do not break any laws that involve poaching.

Aphonopelmas might be cheap in USA, here they are so expensive. Of course, shipping and importation regulations. Duty.

in the case of the spider you mention, its rarety case. And also, someone trying to make a buck; the buyer, trying to get a pension plan by perhaps breeding it?

if prices on tarantulas were controlled this wouldnt happen. But thats utopic. Impossible.

maybe im drifting from your objective.

but value is quite a reality.

mature pulchra, 300$ cad? H chilensis, less then an inch, 200$ 😇
Rareness is subjective. It's usually rare in the hobby and nothing more. I remember how they said that w/ P. victori was rare, and they were a 3 figure slilng. I told people, just wait, it's a Psalmo they are going to breed those like rabbits!

Dude I know the laws are crazy between Canada and USA. I talked to Martin a few years ago. He had great species, and great prices. He told me due to laws etc, I'd have to order at least 2,000$ of Ts to make it worth MY time etc. That's crazy.

Chilensis used to be 25$ a sling, AND I had one as a freebie!! I had an AF female for 65$ at this time too.

Then we were told "the borders were shut down", so the prices went up.

That didn't make too much sense. I emailed 2 people at the Chilean government's wildlife dept- who would know about exporting of animals. Both told me it's never been legal to do so! So I really don't know what the real story was for the price hike on those. I know they are hard to breed. I was into them before they were very popular.
 

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Dude I know the laws are crazy between Canada and USA. I talked to Martin a few years ago. He had great species, and great prices. He told me due to laws etc, I'd have to order at least 2,000$ of Ts to make it worth MY time etc. That's crazy.

Chilensis used to be 25$ a sling, AND I had one as a freebie!! I had an AF female for 65$ at this time too.

Then we were told "the borders were shut down", so the prices went up.

That didn't make too much sense. I emailed 2 people at the Chilean government who would know about exporting of animals. Both told me it's never been legal to do so! So I really don't know what the real story was for the price hike on those. I know they are hard to breed. I was into them before they were very popular.
its a bit like that brazilian law and the “brazilian jewel”. No exports ever authorised?! Tss. They keep destroying the forests, with the spiders in it, but no one can have them 🙄.

i know you had a beautiful Hot Chily. Still very envious. Gorgeous pics too. Now, people want it so bad, but not many on the market. And most come from Europe! All thay shipping and risk adds up.

you guys got some wild caughts too. I get Chili don’t want to encourage poaching. But a program like they have in mexico with the brachypelmas is nice. It would benefit them.

i dont see why i cant trade a legaly obtained brachypelma with an american citizen. Its absurd.

plus the shipping… i am repeating it because its become a joke. They want us to buy local, but im sorry, many artists in the states make beautiful screenprinted shirts. Will cost me over 100$ for something worth not even 25$.

what Martin told you i truely believe. Youd have to organize a massive buy with tons of ppl you cant trust to actualy make that work.

sigh.

the value of a Tarantula, eh.

you wont catch me spending 200$ on a hot chily.
 

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its a bit like that brazilian law and the “brazilian jewel”. No exports ever authorised?! Tss. They keep destroying the forests, with the spiders in it, but no one can have them 🙄.

i know you had a beautiful Hot Chily. Still very envious. Gorgeous pics too. Now, people want it so bad, but not many on the market. And most come from Europe! All thay shipping and risk adds up.

you guys got some wild caughts too. I get Chili don’t want to encourage poaching. But a program like they have in mexico with the brachypelmas is nice. It would benefit them.

i dont see why i cant trade a legaly obtained brachypelma with an american citizen. Its absurd.

plus the shipping… i am repeating it because its become a joke. They want us to buy local, but im sorry, many artists in the states make beautiful screenprinted shirts. Will cost me over 100$ for something worth not even 25$.

what Martin told you i truely believe. Youd have to organize a massive buy with tons of ppl you cant trust to actualy make that work.

sigh.

the value of a Tarantula, eh.

you wont catch me spending 200$ on a hot chily.
No exports were authorized because Brazil doesn't allow exports of their wildlife.

I had 2, and one E. sp Yelllow too back when many speculated E sp Red and E sp Yellow may be the same species.

W/out EU the USA market would crash.

That dude down in Mexico has such an operation. I read all about in detail, the amount of Ts he exports is HUGE.

That's what many of the dealers do here at time, they go in a group buy. Many times I see certain species that are not in the USA at all, and out of nowhere "everyone" has them for sale. Sometimes I ask the dealers was it a group buy ,source, only out of curiosity in case I decide to breed a more rare species in the US hobby.
 

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No exports were authorized because Brazil doesn't allow exports of their wildlife.

I had 2, and one E. sp Yelllow too back when many speculated E sp Red and E sp Yellow may be the same species.

W/out EU the USA market would crash.

That dude down in Mexico has such an operation. I read all about in detail, the amount of Ts he exports is HUGE.

That's what many of the dealers do here at time, they go in a group buy. Many times I see certain species that are not in the USA at all, and out of nowhere "everyone" has them for sale. Sometimes I ask the dealers was it a group buy ,source, only out of curiosity in case I decide to breed a more rare species in the US hobby.
Its a group buy for sure. Connections etc. Some people only do business with known people and i get it. Unfortunately there isnt a reference sheet for tarantula keepers. Like a form where people who sell to certain people could certify these people are genuine.

you got to experience many things in your lifetime. Especialy in terms of invert market.

i remember being less then 10, going to a petshop, they had sea horses, caiman, mature brachypelmas… all these wild creatures. In retrospect, i know it was all because of blackmarket and less regulations. But wow. Going to the petshop when i was a kid was my favorite activity. I spent hours looking at everything and dreaming.

i never stopped having a passion for animals, and those days brought me a glimpse of the world.

you got to see that too. Which puts Value in perspective. Remember hyacinth macaws? What they world sold for? Today its 50k minimum.
 

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Its a group buy for sure. Connections etc. Some people only do business with known people and i get it. Unfortunately there isnt a reference sheet for tarantula keepers. Like a form where people who sell to certain people could certify these people are genuine.

you got to experience many things in your lifetime. Especialy in terms of invert market.

i remember being less then 10, going to a petshop, they had sea horses, caiman, mature brachypelmas… all these wild creatures. In retrospect, i know it was all because of blackmarket and less regulations. But wow. Going to the petshop when i was a kid was my favorite activity. I spent hours looking at everything and dreaming.

i never stopped having a passion for animals, and those days brought me a glimpse of the world.

you got to see that too. Which puts Value in perspective. Remember hyacinth macaws? What they world sold for? Today its 50k minimum.
I wasn't clear. It's often a group buy, but some people who sell here don't deal with other sellers of the EU that the group bought from, even though they have the same species up for sale.

Me- no, I haven't experienced too much. There's only a handful of species that I'm interested in. If I had time I would breed, but I don't. I had a great opportunity once to get a TON of Ts from an expert breeder, but I passed because I travel too much. He was a great guy.

Most $$ bird out there still if I recall. I remember when they were "only" 10-20,000$ US.
 

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:rofl:im not a bargain shopper so if i wanna buy a t and my wallet can support it. i'm walking out the door with it if i see it for sale
 

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Is what a person is willing to pay for it.

I remember when many species were less than 50$. I also remember when P mets were first hatched here, and they were 499.00$ a sling too. i waited many decades for them to be affordable for me. Their sacs were living gold back then, that was in the late 1990's if I recall. Kelly Swift was the first in the USA to crack the code to breed them.

Then I remember I. mira being another "rare", super pricey T, selling for 500$. I waited "eons", picked up a sling for 40$ turned out to be female- lucky me- one and done.

Over time I've seen common species double in price, some more so, not all of them, but many. Shipping costs have increased for sure. Beyond that I can't say why costs have increased so much for species that are bred here in the USA that are commonly bred etc- it's not the part of the hobby I research too often. Again, not all have increased, but most have.

Every so often I go out on the net to see what's the latest HIGH prices. I've seen prices 300-500$ for more than quite a few years unfortunately.

However, today takes the cake. There's someone out there selling a T for 10,000$, that's ridiculous to me.They claim it's captive bred too, and there are only 20 in the USA supposedly. I don't know how hard it was to breed this specimen (assuming that info is accurate) or the original costs of removing this species from the wild- that's an entirely different, and SHORT story.

I'd never drop that much on any animal.

It's a pretty T for sure. The specimen looks quite similar to Hapalopus formosus (formerly Hapalopus sp. Colombia Large).

I was talking with a scientist and there's a 7" species that looks like H. formosus. It's not in the hobby, and maybe never will be as no one knows about it but scientists. I hope not it doesn't enter the hobby because I'm sure it will be $15,000 :bored: :rolleyes: :vomit:
I paid $140 for a P Metallica it died of dks before maturing was a male. In exotic pets as long as people have the money someone will get price gouged .
Mature male factory
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I paid $140 for a P Metallica it died of dks before maturing was a male. In exotic pets as long as people have the money someone will get price gouged .
Mature male factory
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I don't feel all prices from exotics are price gouging. However there are quite few that certainly seem that way.
 

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I don't feel all prices from exotics are price gouging. However there are quite few that certainly seem that way.
Yeah your right I just don’t Like paying that for such large juvys probably all males . Current one I got if it survives to molt I’ll Figure out … if ..
 

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This thread makes no sense, you answered your own question with your opening line.
Why is $10k too much? Because it's more than you'd spend?
Your lament, while I understand it, is meritless. Someone will buy it, & the next one will be $20k, or no one will buy it, & the next one will be tested at $5k. You know how this works. What, did you want it that bad? LoL
 

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This thread makes no sense, you answered your own question with your opening line.
Why is $10k too much? Because it's more than you'd spend?
Your lament, while I understand it, is meritless. Someone will buy it, & the next one will be $20k, or no one will buy it, & the next one will be tested at $5k. You know how this works. What, did you want it that bad? LoL
why can’t some things just be to have a conversation? A place for debate?

it beats the age old is my tarantula in pre-molt thread 😩
 

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This thread makes no sense, you answered your own question with your opening line.
Why is $10k too much? Because it's more than you'd spend?
Your lament, while I understand it, is meritless. Someone will buy it, & the next one will be $20k, or no one will buy it, & the next one will be tested at $5k. You know how this works. What, did you want it that bad? LoL
Rich people will pay any price , average people cannot afford a multi thousand dollar spider. More likely they will spend it on a dog or a cat though. So they technically can afford it but won’t pay that much. Fair market values are often lower in Europe & Canada, Asia and higher in USA . I wouldn’t hesitate to spend $100+ on a spider that doesn’t mean everyone feels the same . I prefer getting smaller slings for cheap as possible which I haven’t been doing. Some slings are very expensive. These days high prices are average low are a shocker.
 

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Rich people will pay any price , average people cannot afford a multi thousand dollar spider. More likely they will spend it on a dog or a cat though. So they technically can afford it but won’t pay that much. Fair market values are often lower in Europe & Canada, Asia and higher in USA . I wouldn’t hesitate to spend $100+ on a spider that doesn’t mean everyone feels the same . I prefer getting smaller slings for cheap as possible which I haven’t been doing. Some slings are very expensive. These days high prices are average low are a shocker.
the answer to your dilema: stop buying big tarantulas at petshops that give you bad quality. Spend same amount to order online a sling at quality place. You will be rewarded.
 

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the answer to your dilema: stop buying big tarantulas at petshops that give you bad quality. Spend same amount to order online a sling at quality place. You will be rewarded.
I am I stopped ordering online because my mom kept crying but now there worried about hairs I said then I gotta order online to avoid strong haired species. 🤪 96% of my Ts were from online.
 
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