Thai golden fringe vs kalimantan orange

[Wompous]

New to site. Wonderful information on here! Long time browser here.
I have 17 spieces: (BTW I only use English words I still can not understand nor grasp the original scientific names!!!! I know I know but still I won't learn them. Forgive me)

GBB
Curly hair
Braz black
Mexican red knee
Ho chi mein
Cobalt blue
Socatra island bab.
Chinese stout leg
Cambodia blue
Blue earth tiger
Thai golden
Mozambique bab.
Golden blue legged bab.
OBT
Rear horned bab.
Zimbabwe grey bab.
Kalimantan orange

It all started with my 1st T GBB was hooked from their!!! My only real pet hole is my ho chi mein. The others in some way shape or form show themselves regularly.

Here is my question: is the thai golden and the kalimantan orange in same family? From same region? I'm trying to figure out the differences between these 2. I read their the same spieces but pretty sure that is wrong. Any one have either of these 2 spieces and knows the difference?

My only T that has me on edge and super guarded doing ANYTHING in the tank is my OBT. That goofy thing decided to sprint at 1000mph across the lid to get me. I closed the lid in lighting speed as it was only half open just in time. He was 1 centimeter from my hand. His leg got caught in the lid thus breaking it. He cruises around dragging it. Better broken leg than a bite! But yeah Cruela is no joke (daughter named all my T's after Disney characters/kids movies. Cruela Deville just fits huh! Lol.
This site rocks and I hope for a good discussion.

 

[A guy]

This is the problem with common names. A single species can have multiple. Depending on where you are or who you're talking to, you can get different answers.

Using them will just lead to further confusion.

 

[viper69]

Common names are useless generally speaking.

learning them is no different than common names.
Sounds like youre comparing a 1960s clothing with a type of fruit if I had to guess

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

Here is my question: is the thai golden and the kalimantan orange in same family? From same region? I'm trying to figure out the differences between these 2. I read their the same spieces but pretty sure that is wrong. Any one have either of these 2 spieces and knows the difference?

No, they are two completely different tarantulas from two different countries classified in two different genera.

I found the answer by copying and pasting the provided common names into Google. Took me longer to type this response than it did to find the answer.

 

[NMTs]

(BTW I only use English words I still can not understand nor grasp the original scientific names!!!! I know I know but still I won't learn them. Forgive me)

This site rocks and I hope for a good discussion.

We're glad you're here, but it's difficult to have a good discussion when the parties involved aren't sure they're talking about the same thing...

You don't need to know the binomial nomenclature for every species out there, but learning it for the 17 you keep should be a priority. Have you tried looking up the scientific names of each species you keep and putting it on a label on the enclosure? Then each time you look at it, you'll be reminded.

Also, Kalimantan is an Indonesian province on the island of Borneo, separated from Thailand by ocean. So yeah, not the same.

 

[Brewser]

Family - Theraphosidae - Genus - Ornithoctonus - Species - aureotibialis / Commonly Called - Thai Gold Fringe

Family - Theraphosidae - Genus - Cyriopagopus - Species - sp.'kalimantan' / Commonly Called - Kalimantan Orange Fringe

Also known as Beautiful Old World Tarantulas

 

[Andrew Clayton]

New to site. Wonderful information on here! Long time browser here.
I have 17 spieces: (BTW I only use English words I still can not understand nor grasp the original scientific names!!!! I know I know but still I won't learn them. Forgive me)

GBB
Curly hair
Braz black
Mexican red knee
Ho chi mein
Cobalt blue
Socatra island bab.
Chinese stout leg
Cambodia blue
Blue earth tiger
Thai golden
Mozambique bab.
Golden blue legged bab.
OBT
Rear horned bab.
Zimbabwe grey bab.
Kalimantan orange

It all started with my 1st T GBB was hooked from their!!! My only real pet hole is my ho chi mein. The others in some way shape or form show themselves regularly.

Here is my question: is the thai golden and the kalimantan orange in same family? From same region? I'm trying to figure out the differences between these 2. I read their the same spieces but pretty sure that is wrong. Any one have either of these 2 spieces and knows the difference?

My only T that has me on edge and super guarded doing ANYTHING in the tank is my OBT. That goofy thing decided to sprint at 1000mph across the lid to get me. I closed the lid in lighting speed as it was only half open just in time. He was 1 centimeter from my hand. His leg got caught in the lid thus breaking it. He cruises around dragging it. Better broken leg than a bite! But yeah Cruela is no joke (daughter named all my T's after Disney characters/kids movies. Cruela Deville just fits huh! Lol.
This site rocks and I hope for a good discussion.

Depending where you're from the common names are totally different. My advice forget even looking at common names just always look at the scientific name like there are a few blue earth tigers so god knows what you have and there are different colour variants of the OBT. Makes it very difficult for to give accurate answers when you could be talking about completely different Tarantulas. Going with the scientific names there is no confusion around whats getting spoke about. Honestly forget common names there no use.

 

[Mustafa67]

New to site. Wonderful information on here! Long time browser here.
I have 17 spieces: (BTW I only use English words I still can not understand nor grasp the original scientific names!!!! I know I know but still I won't learn them. Forgive me)

GBB
Curly hair
Braz black
Mexican red knee
Ho chi mein
Cobalt blue
Socatra island bab.
Chinese stout leg
Cambodia blue
Blue earth tiger
Thai golden
Mozambique bab.
Golden blue legged bab.
OBT
Rear horned bab.
Zimbabwe grey bab.
Kalimantan orange

It all started with my 1st T GBB was hooked from their!!! My only real pet hole is my ho chi mein. The others in some way shape or form show themselves regularly.

Here is my question: is the thai golden and the kalimantan orange in same family? From same region? I'm trying to figure out the differences between these 2. I read their the same spieces but pretty sure that is wrong. Any one have either of these 2 spieces and knows the difference?

My only T that has me on edge and super guarded doing ANYTHING in the tank is my OBT. That goofy thing decided to sprint at 1000mph across the lid to get me. I closed the lid in lighting speed as it was only half open just in time. He was 1 centimeter from my hand. His leg got caught in the lid thus breaking it. He cruises around dragging it. Better broken leg than a bite! But yeah Cruela is no joke (daughter named all my T's after Disney characters/kids movies. Cruela Deville just fits huh! Lol.
This site rocks and I hope for a good discussion.

Q1 + Q2 = NO! Different GENERA + different species

See @Brewser answer. Makes it very clear.

Family - Theraphosidae - Genus - Ornithoctonus - Species - aureotibialis / Commonly Called - Thai Gold Fringe

Family - Theraphosidae - Genus - Cyriopagopus - Species - sp.'kalimantan' / Commonly Called - Kalimantan Orange Fringe

Also known as Beautiful Old World Tarantulas

As everyone else have said, use SCIENTIFIC NAMES for your Ts! It’s clearer and simple to understand. Common names change often and are confusing. I had no idea what some on your list were.

I would recommend the beginners guide if you have questions like these, search the forum is also very helpful:

Tarantula Information for Beginners (and More)

Below are some helpful resources. (Rather than having half a dozen or more pinned threads, which clutter the top of the board, we are pinning this index.) While the focus is on beginners, there are other threads on health and more advanced species that may be useful to more experienced keepers...

arachnoboards.com

Finally, DON’T mess with your poor OBT. It’s leg will grow back with a molt but don’t mess with it!

 

[Wompous]

No, they are two completely different tarantulas from two different countries classified in two different genera.

I found the answer by copying and pasting the provided common names into Google. Took me longer to type this response than it did to find the answer.

Thank you for the reply. I couldn't get a Google answer that quick so good job.

 

[Wompous]

We're glad you're here, but it's difficult to have a good discussion when the parties involved aren't sure they're talking about the same thing...

You don't need to know the binomial nomenclature for every species out there, but learning it for the 17 you keep should be a priority. Have you tried looking up the scientific names of each species you keep and putting it on a label on the enclosure? Then each time you look at it, you'll be reminded.

Also, Kalimantan is an Indonesian province on the island of Borneo, separated from Thailand by ocean. So yeah, not the same.

Wow great idea on putting the names on labels on their tanks! I may just do that. Yes I have all the official names I don't need to even look them up.

 

[xenesthis]

Yes, ditch the use of common names. Both are fast, agile, defensive Asian species that are not for beginner tarantula keepers.

 

[Wompous]

Yes, ditch the use of common names. Both are fast, agile, defensive Asian species that are not for beginner tarantula keepers.

Not a newbie to hobby. I just kept coming up short on these 2 spieces I mentioned.

 

[Wompous]

Q1 + Q2 = NO! Different GENERA + different species

See @Brewser answer. Makes it very clear.


As everyone else have said, use SCIENTIFIC NAMES for your Ts! It’s clearer and simple to understand. Common names change often and are confusing. I had no idea what some on your list were.

I would recommend the beginners guide if you have questions like these, search the forum is also very helpful:

Tarantula Information for Beginners (and More)

Below are some helpful resources. (Rather than having half a dozen or more pinned threads, which clutter the top of the board, we are pinning this index.) While the focus is on beginners, there are other threads on health and more advanced species that may be useful to more experienced keepers...

arachnoboards.com

Finally, DON’T mess with your poor OBT. It’s leg will grow back with a molt but don’t mess with it!

Yeah I know I'm waiting for that molt.

 

[Wompous]

Started with my couple NW and from their just fell in love with all the earth tigers and OW.

 

[IntermittentSygnal]

To make it even easier, you can abbreviate the genus in speaking about them and people will still understand.
O aureotibialis
C sp. Kalimantan

 

[Wompous]

Well I did it. Put all of them in a good place to read and familiarize myself. This is also the order in terms of tanks.

Ornithoctoninae Sp.- Ho Chi Minh

2. Tliltocatl albopilosus- Curly Hair

3. Cyriopagopus lividus- Cobalt Blue

4. Monocentropus Balfouri-socatra

5. Chromatopelma Cyaneopubescens-GBB

6. Citharognathus Tongmianensis- Chinese stout leg earth tiger

7. Cyriopagopus c.f. Longipes- Cambodia Blue

8. Chilobrachys Natanicharum- Elec. Blue earth

9. Ornithoctonus Aureotibialis- Thai Golden Fringe

10. Augacephalus Ezendami- Mozambique Golden Baboon

11. Harpactira Pulchripes- Golden blue legged Baboon

12. Grammostola Pulchra- Braz. Blk.

13. Pterinochilus Murinus (Usambara)- Orange Starburst Baboon

14. Ceratogyrus Darlingi- Rear Horned Baboon

15. Brachypelma Smithi- Giant mexican red knee

16. Ceratogryus Meridionalis- Zimbabwe grey baboon

17. Cyriopagopus sp (Kalimantan)- Kalimantan Orange Fringe....Boreo

 

[viper69]

Species is always lowercase, NO Capitals.

 

[NMTs]

Well I did it. Put all of them in a good place to read and familiarize myself. This is also the order in terms of tanks.

Ornithoctoninae Sp.- Ho Chi Minh

2. Tliltocatl albopilosus- Curly Hair

3. Cyriopagopus lividus- Cobalt Blue

4. Monocentropus Balfouri-socatra

5. Chromatopelma Cyaneopubescens-GBB

6. Citharognathus Tongmianensis- Chinese stout leg earth tiger

7. Cyriopagopus c.f. Longipes- Cambodia Blue

8. Chilobrachys Natanicharum- Elec. Blue earth

9. Ornithoctonus Aureotibialis- Thai Golden Fringe

10. Augacephalus Ezendami- Mozambique Golden Baboon

11. Harpactira Pulchripes- Golden blue legged Baboon

12. Grammostola Pulchra- Braz. Blk.

13. Pterinochilus Murinus (Usambara)- Orange Starburst Baboon

14. Ceratogyrus Darlingi- Rear Horned Baboon

15. Brachypelma Smithi- Giant mexican red knee

16. Ceratogryus Meridionalis- Zimbabwe grey baboon

17. Cyriopagopus sp (Kalimantan)- Kalimantan Orange Fringe....Boreo

Well done, now just get used to using those names and you'll have them memorized soon enough. Would love to see some pics of your T's! I'm especially fond of # 16...

 

[ComputerDellLI]

Kalimantan doesn't ring any bells, but there is an undescribed species nearly identical to Aureotibialis in the hobby. It just doesn't have the fuzzy gold-white abdomen. It's abdomen is black. Note, it's also from Thailand.

 

[IntermittentSygnal]

Species is always lowercase, NO Capitals.

Except when it’s “sp. Area, City, State, Provence, Country”